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How
did
you
get
involved?
The
first
thing
I
can
ever
remember
about
it
was
seeing
people
unexpectedly
covered
in
crap
on
King
Street
garage.
And
they were
sort
of
lads
that
we
looked
up
to,
absolutely
covered
in
s***
dancing
about
on
King
Street
garage.
And
going…
summat’s
not
right there.
We’d,
we’d
been
out
drinking
and
the
people
I
don’t
want
to
name
them
but
you
can
imagine
the
sort
of
lads
who
used
to
wander
in
the
town centre
and people
would go…
(whistle)
look who’s here…
look who’s here…
Top
lads.
Yeah.
But
they
were
covered
in
crap.
Yeah,
like
they’ve
been
dancing
in
a
field.
And
Spike,
one
o’lads
who used to
knock about
we us,
went
over
and
said
Look
at
you…
And…
one
person
in
particular
leant
in
and went
It’s
coming.
You’ll
know
when
it
gets
here.
And
that’s
all
he said…
I
jumped
in
the
car
and
cleared
off.
That’s
our
first
intro
to
it.
Bit
mind-blowing
at the
time
because
you
go you just
used
to
seeing
him
in
the
boozer
having
a
beer…
but
they
were
dancing
about
s***faced.
What’s
going
on?
Just
just
summat
totally
out of
the blue
you just
didn’t
expect it.
Were end
of
the
night.
We’re
all
full
of
beer
just
seeing
lads
like that
dancing
about
like that
on’
24-hour
car park
24
hour
garage
like
that
and your
thinking
nah
summat’s
wrong here.
And
it
come.
So
what
happened
when it
came?
When
did
it
get
you?
About
a week
later.
And
then
we were
in it.
What
does
that
mean?
Someone’s…
someone’s
gunna
listen
to this
in a 100
years.
Tell
us
what
happened?
As
far
as
I can
remember
we were
in one of
me mates
flats
and
someone
went
to
drop
some
some
tablets
off
for us.
You’re used
to
doing
abit
of
acid,
a
bit
of
speed,
different…
Someone’s
dropped
these
tablets
off
for us
and said…
You’ll have
a good
night
off these.
I
think
if
I
remember
rightly
we
either
went
to
Manhattan
Heights
or’
Cav
and
had
these.
And
basically
you
stood
there
sweating
profusely
looking
at
everyone
who was
steaming
drunk
going…
what the
f****** hell
are
we
doing
in
here.
We’d
have
danced
in’t
street.
We
would
have
danced
anywhere
bar
in
that
club.
We
just
wanted
some…
even
the
music
sounded
like
crap.
And
that’s
my
first
memory
until
the
first
party
we
ever
went
to
which
was…
if
I
remember
rightly
Johnson
Street
in
the
bicycle
shop.
And
it
turned
into
a
mass
brawl
wi’
loadsa
Asians
because
they were
complaining
that
sound…
It’s
too noisy
and
there were
abit of a
set
to
in’t
street
and
that,
but
that
were
like
the
first
taster
of
it.
That’s
the
bike
shop
I was
talking about,
used to be
called
Good
Fellows
Cycles
yeah.
On
the
corner.
It’s
on
Devonport
Road
it’s
the
next
one
up
isnt
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That’s
the
first
one
I
can
clearly
remember.
And
then
I
can
remember…
One
on
Revidge
Road.
Yeah,
which
is
on
because
that
was
my
old
stomping
ground
when
I
was
a
kid
because I
were from
Wimberley.
So
I
knew
all
that
sort
of
area.
So…
which
was in
a
guy’s
house…
It
was
in a
guy’s
house,
it
got
trashed.
so,
you
know,
something
very
strange,
that,
that
was,
that
was
one
of
the
first
and
also
probably
the
last one…
the last
that
ended
up
in
that
state.
Exactly
when he
was doing his
house up.
Yeah.
So
Darryl
you’re from
Wimberley?
Yeah.
I were born
So
did
you
come
from
that
like
Wimberley
boot
boy
background?
No
that’s me
brothers
generation.
That
were
the
younger
lot.
We
were
the
ones
that…
yeah,
we
were
the
ones
that had
all
the
estate
fenced off
cos we
were
thieving
everything
…
cos
we
were
rogues,
we
were all
rogues,
all’ lot
of
us.
But
good,
nice
rogues,
we only
robbed
off
them
that
deserved
to
be
robbed.
Ha
ha
ha.
Y’know,
odd
scooter
went
missing
here
and
there,
odd
Vauxhall
Viva
…
…
to
run
people
to
school
in
the
morning.
But
that
were
the life
then.
Yeah,
it
was.
People
didn’t
have
money,
it
were
all
hand
me
downs
and…
I
had
an
older
sister,
I
can
remember
going
to
school
wi’
scalloped
blouse
top
on,
and
me
mates
going…
odd
looking
shirt?
It’s a
f******
hand
me
down.
What
…
…
do
you
expect?
…
you
know,
at
least
I didn’t
have to
wear
her
skirts…
I’d
o’been
done
…
…
finished,
social
life
gone.
Right, so
Darryl
you
get,
you’re
involved
at
the
very
early
part
as
it
sounds,
like
you’re
right
at
the
beginning
of
it
to
me.
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
were
because…
without
incriminating
me
sel’
we were a
bit integral
in
the
town
centre
as
a
gang
o’lads
that
came
from
all
over
…
from
different…
We
weren’t
from
one
part
of
town…
from
Langho,
Pleasington,
Wilpshire,
Wimberley,
Johnson
Street.
We
were
just
a firm
of
lads
that
…
we
created.
Wer’
sorta
like
…
the
odds
and
sods
from
everywhere.
But
we
had
a good
family.
And
we
looked
after
each
other
and
because of
how do I
put it?
Large
shopping
expeditions in
Switzerland.
We
sort
of
clothed
a
lot
of
people
as
well.
So
having
being
brought
into
it
early
on,
a
lot
of
people
knew
who
we were.
So because
we
don’t
know..
who
did
this,
but
clothes
were coming in
from
Switzerland
and
places
and
into
Blackburn.
There
was a
real
Casual
scene
here.
You
ended
up
with
well-dressed
kids
in
Blackburn.
And
then
it
moves
into
this
party
scene.
Yeah,
well, I
weren’t
one
for
like
the
really
baggy
acid
clothes.
I
still
preferred
me’
designer
gear
to
be
quite
honest.
…
I
might’o
grown
me
hair
but,
that
were
about
it.
But
as
for
clothes
wise,
it
always
had
to
be
labels,
labels
labels
labels.
And,
and
that’s
just
how
we
were
were.
What
are your
best
memories
of
it?
Best
memories?
The
camaraderie.
The
fact
that
people
all
…
it
didn’t
matter
where
you
come
from.
Everybody
had
each
other’s
back.
If
you
went
to
a
party
and
it
went
off
it
was
us
and
them.
And
if
you need
to
turn
a
police
car
over
…
and
torch
it,
so be
it,
let’s
have
it.
And
…
we
were
quite
happy
we
that.
Getting
one
back
for
the
many
times that
you
got
a
smack in the
mouth
and
you
were
dragged
down’
to
cells
for
summat
you
hadn’t
done.
And
to
face
the
police
and
actually
think…
we’re
avin’
this
one,
we’re
winning
this
one.
…
Were
a
good
thing.
And
I
can
remember
1 or 2
at
Whitebirk
being
one
of
them.
Cracking
party,
plenty
of
barbecued
hot
dog
police
vehicles,
but
no
…
But
then
were
the
times,
it
was
us
and
them.
And as
soon
as
it
escalated
to
a
level
where
they
couldn’t
control
it.
It
was,
we
will
…
resort
to
exerting
our
dominance
over
you.
And
if
it
meant
running
and
beating
women
wi’
sticks,
truncheons
…
whatever,
whatever
they
had
to
do
to
win,
they
would
get
their
point
across.
Which
was
sort
of
the
downfall
of
it.
That
and
the
crooks
moving
in
from
Manchester
wanting
their
cut.
But
apart
from
that,
I
only
have
good
memories
of
it.
…
And
in
1990
I
broke
my
neck
in
a
car
crash.
I
can
remember
getting
posted
through
many
a
window
at
a party,
because I
had a
full
body
brace
on.
You’re
kidding.
Nope.
And
having
2
E’s
a night
wi’
a
full
body
brace
on
dancing
like
that
…
it
was a
sight
to
behold.
But
yeah,
posted,
and
I
was
going
shopping
in
Switzerland
in the
same state.
Which
was…
just
the
way
things
were.
It’s
a
means
to
an
end.
There
weren’t
alot
of
work
about.
We were
in
Thatchers
Britain.
Thatcher
didn’t
give
a
s***
about
anybody.
Same as
Johnson
don’t give
a
s***
about
anybody
now.
It’s
all
about
tek, tek
tek.
All
the
little
men
get
trampled
on.
And
I’ve
always
…
…
said
to
me
Dad
I don’t
fit in
this
system.
And
he’d
go
what
you
on
about?
Because
I
feel
a
bit
of
a
spare
wheel.
Because
I
could
see
it
for
what
it
were.
It’s
all
manipulation,
corruption.
It’s
vile.
Because
the
people
at
the
bottom
are
always
the
ones
who
suffer
most.
And
there’s
kids
going,
being
told
you
you’ll
do
…
…
…
37
and
a
half
hour
week
but you
get
20
quid,
or
25
quid.
Ooh,
I
think
it
was
25
quid
and
I
can
remember
my Dad
saying
your
board’s
20
quid.
Really?
You
havin’a
laugh
20
quid?
Board?
Your talking
about
YTS
at
the
time.
…
yeah
…
and
YOP’s
and
all
that
bull
s***
that
they
brought in
I was on the same 27 pound a week and I had to give half to me mumand I got off lightly
you
did
get
off
lightly
I was like
score
and
you
wonder
why
I’m
thieving
s**t
everywhere.
…
…
take
your
board
up.
Fiver.
Rich
lads.
Half a
night out.
No
but
for
a
fiver
you could
have a
good
night out
back then.
But
what
I
love
about it
Darryl, is
that in
places like
Blackburn,
but
particularly
in
Blackburn
because
other
people
they
tell
a
story
that
you
think
it’s
…
Scousers
and
Londoners
and
everyone
else,
but
what
I
love
is
whoever
they were
mmm…
this
firm
of
kids
from
Blackburn.
Are
the best
dressed
kids
in
Europe.
And
I
love
that
you
could
go
to
Mill Hill
and
get…
buy…
you
know,
Italian
designer
clothes.
Could
buy
an
Iceberg
jumper
for
100
quid.
And
we
had
lads
at
football
can remember
lads going
what’s
that
s***?
And
then
3
years
later
they
were
wearing’
it.
Which
is
even
better,
because…
a
good
friend
of
mine
was…
I
can’t
remember
which
team
it
was
against
but
he
was
wearing
a
3000
…
Iceberg
leather,
and
they
were
laughing
at him.
And
he
went…
you
haven’t
even
heard
of
it.
And
one
of
the
other
lads
had
been
wherever
that
day and
he
had
a
bag
wi’
a
GQ
in
it,
and
he
ended
up
throwing
the
GQ
over
the
fence,
and went
take
that
and
learn
about
some
f******
decent
fashion.
And
then
it
kicked
off
on’ cathedral
later
on
and
they
ended
up
stripping
some
kid
of
his
jacket.
We’d
…
end
up
getting
in a
ruck
and basically
dropped
his
bag.
But
this
is
another
thing,
all
that
attitude
changed
as well,
where
as
we
used
to go
football
and it
were
all
about
having
a
kick
off.
All
that
died
away.
But
even
lads
we’d
had
run in’s
wi’
down,
down
them
years…
turned
up
at
parties,
I
remember
he
used
to
have
a
blue
stripey
jumper
…
…
…
…
and
you..
he did
this,
and
…
took
me
trainers
off
and
wiz’d em
over
the
wall.
And
they
were
all
things
that
happened,
and
you
sort
of
like
got
this
feedback
…
…
of
stories
and
you
thought…
how
do
they
remember
that
because
you
sorta
…
forget
it.
It
happens.
It’s
that
Saturday
thing,
it’s
gone.
But
yet
you’re
getting
haunted
by
it
3
or 4
years
later
and
they’re
going
yeah,
but…
Where
were
we?
I
think
it
were
in
Blackpool.
One
of
lads
had
robbed
this
jumper
off
somebody
and
we’re
in
a
club
in
Blackpool.
And
a
lad
come
over
and
tapped
him
on’shoulder
n’went…
Excuse
me,
I
think
that’s
my
jumper
you’ve
got on.
And
he’d
stolen
it
off
him
about
2
seasons
before
at
football.
And
yer
like
going…
Really?
But
expensive
stuff
stands
out
doesn’t
it
…
and
that’s
why
you
wear
it.
But
no
we
have
some…
So
you
think
the…
the
parties
was
something
that
the
poor
the
poorer
generation
had.
I
think
it
was,
I
think
it
was
an
outlet
that
was
needed
long
before
it
happened.
Because
I
don’t
think
we
had
all
that
back
end,
middle
back
end
of
80s
where
it
were all
football
violence
and
animosity.
I
think
if
it
happened,
I
don’t
even
think
you
would have…
I
think
there’d
still’ve
been
some
terrace
culture,
but
I
don’t
think
there’d
have been
a
violent
attached
to
it.
…
I
can
remember
going
Hacienda
…
…
80
80
…
…
87
used
to
take
coaches
to
the
Hacienda
back
then,
and
you
could
walk
in
and
Morrissey
be
sat at
one
end
o’bar
and
Mick
Hucknall
be sat
at the
other
end
of
bar.
And
it
were
just
freezing
…
you’d
walk in
and it
be like….
Only
way t’
get
warm
wer’
to
jig
about
a
bit…
but
there
were
only you
jigging
about.
You’re…
…
a
few
years
later
on
you’re
like
wall-to-wall.
You
can’t
get
in
the
gaff.
They’re
turning
you away.
And…
but
that
also
…
…
had
a
knock
on
….
…
you
got
the
Saturdays
that
were
all
full
of
posers.
So
then
we
started
goin’
Kitchen.
Get
up
on,
get
up
on’
Crescent
and
watch…
Whoa.
It
was
like
a
different
world.
You
walk
in
it’s
blanket
weed.
Yeah
just
blanket
weed.
….
and
they’d
go…
oh
this
clubs
not
big
enough.
And
you’d
pull a
sledgehammer
out
and
knock
another
flat
through.
…
…
big
hole
in’t
wall.
Yeah.
Yeah
for
all
the
kids
on’
estate
and
that.
As
they
started
pulling
it
down,
it
opened
up
into
a
club
2
floors.
You
just
kept
smashing
it.
I
can’t
remember
how
many.
I
think
it
were
about
43957
or
6
rooms
last
time
I
went
but…
yeah.
The
older
lads
I
John
Witty
and
Joker
and…
you
know,
all
the
lads
that I
knew
that
we’re
going
to
them
sorta
gaffs…
were
sort
of
like
an
impetus.
Have
ya not
been
here?
And
then
you
get
there.
and…
first
time
we
ever
went…
we
were
witness
to…
they
launched
someone
off
a
second-floor
balcony
into
the
you
know,
the
big skips
…
Like
that…
headfirst,
he
landed
and
his feet…
when
we
come
out
the
club
at
like
5
o’clock
in
the
morning…
he’s still
there
we
his legs
sticking
out,
we
thought
he were
dead…
just
unconscious
full of
E
like that…
done.
Just
took
that
much
tackle.
This
is
before
the Blackburn
parties
started?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
About
87,
88?
Yeah.
…
cos
there
were
bits
of
it
going
on,
little
pockets
here
and
there.
I
mean
even…
even
here,
what
would
it
have
been
here
when
we
seen
them?
89?
Maybe
…
…
back
end
of
88
…
early
89
when
we saw
the
lads
that
we
sorta’
like
looked
up
to
…
and
…
were
sorta’
the
faces
the
town.
And
like
I
looked
at
them
and
thought.
There’s
summat
pertaining
…
…
…
there’s
something
…
you
could
see
the
change
coming.
Yeah,
you
could
see
it
coming.
When
the
parties
finish
…
what
happened
to
you
after
…
…
like
what
happens
then?
What
can
you
say
on the tape
Darryl?
What can I
say on the
tape?
Spiraling
addiction
was one
of em
to be quite
honest.
And
that
was
more
because
I
broke
my
neck.
I
totally
deteriorated
over
the
next
few
years.
Morphine
first
and
then
other
substances
as
you
can
well
imagine.
But
even
now
I
I
look
at
it,
and
I
think
…
…
would
I
change
how
panned
out?
And
I’m
still
here
but
then
you’d
go
is
it
rose
tinted
spectacles?
Do
you
look
back
and…
but
I still…
still
talk
to
lads
that
I
talked to,
you
know,
that
I
went
to
school
with.
I’m
still
friends
we
now,
that
I
work
we
now
and
again.
Was
it
as
good
as
we
believed
it
were?
And
they
all go
no
it were
f******
better.
And
the
thing
is
you
can’t…
If
everybody
thinks
like
that,
it
isn’t
just
you
who’s
wearing
the
rose
tinted
spectacles
and
everybody
I
know
goes…
f******
we
had
it
good.
We had
it good
There
could
have
been
different
outcomes
for
a
lot
of
people
but
that
…
I
can
remember
the impetus
at
the
back
end
where
drugs
were
coming
in,
and
people
going…
Oh
try
this,
it’s
a
new
drug…
and
they
were
selling
smack,
speed
and
this
and
that.
And
people
were
getting
drawn
into
s***
that
they
hadn’t
got
a
clue
about
because
they’d
gone
Well
I’ve
tried
this,
I’ve
tried that,
I’ve been
alright
on
this,
I’ve
been
alright
on
that,
Oh, I’ll have
abit o’that.
And that’s
what
started
sucking
a
lot
of
people
in…
even
though
there were
a lot of
people
that
were
already
within
that
culture
that
you
knew.
They
were
few
and
far
between,
but
I
think
a
lot
got
roped
in
on
the
back
end
of
it.
And
I
think
that
sorta
were
the
only
light
that
was
bad,
on
the
whole
scene
because
even
even
the
football
hooliganism
n’all
that.
…
If
it
hadn’t
developed
from
that…
it
would’ve
developed
from
some
other
source
to
get
us
to
where
we
needed
to
be.
I
would
have
thought.
Because
it
could
have
only
had
…
that
emphasis
to
go
up
and
be…
get
into
something
better.
People
were
fed
up
with
licensing
law
n’all
that.
…
…
all
going
home
now
…
done,
dusted.
I
mean,
we
used
to go
Cav
car park
just
for
a
kick-off
so
we
could
stop
out
a
bit
longer.
Dragging
em
outta
coaches
…
there
used
to
be
15
16
coaches
from
everywhere.
…
They’d
be
coming
from
Newcastle.
Used
to
go…
Geordies
are
in
town
tonight,
we’ll have
a ruck
we
them
because
we’re
bored
with
them
from
over
Manchester
way.
…
…
And
that
were
just
part
and
parcel
of
being
…
steaming
drunk
every
Friday
Saturday.
And
to
get
away
from
that
and
then
all
of a
sudden
you’re
in…
I
don’t…
you’re
in
a
realm
where
the
last
thing
on
your
mind
is
raising
a
fist,
an
angry
word
or
anything
…
…
to
anybody,
and
to
go
home
after,
lying in
your bed
and
go…
did
…
…
has
that
just
happened
that
night
just happen?
Because
there
was
some
really…
really
good
nights,
even
though
they’ve
like
blurred
all
into
one
over
the
years,
but
I
can
definitely
remember
going
home
and
lying on
me bed,
going…
top
sex…
top
night…
what…
and
you
were
just
mind-blown
sometimes.
And
I
think
no
matter
what
perspective
you
look
at
it.
That
would
have
always
come,
because
it
was
destined…
the
change
was
destined,
it was
just
how
long
it
would
take
for
that
change
to
come.
I
think
people
got
to’ stage
where
they
were
sick
to
death of
being
on
tenterhooks
and
going
out.
Suppose
it’s
like
it
is
now.
the
going
…
…
People
forget
how
violent
it
was.
Yeah,
and
I
can
remember.
85
running
from
Bogart’s
in
Darwen,
down’
main
road.
We
a
gang
o’lads
after
me,
because
you’ve
been
chatting
one of
their
girls up.
You
used to
need a
passport
to get
into
Darwen
at
one
stage.
It were
like…
Another
lad
I
talked
to
said
I was
going
first
time,
I was
really
looking
forward
to
it.
And
I
said
tell
me
what
that
was
like…
And
he
said,
oh
we
bumped
into
some
Mill
Hill
lads
and
kicked
f***
out
of
each
other.
Didn’t
even
go
inside.
Then
it
…
like
a
week
later.
That
was
all
done
and
dusted.
Yeah,
and
it
were,
it
was
that
deadening…
that
deadening
effect
of that
ecstasy
landing
that
everybody
…
all
of
a
sudden
you
walk
into…
And you
actually
wanted
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
somebody
rather
than
thinking…
have I
to
jam
this
beer
glass
in
his
face,
which
were
…
…
the
usual
Saturday
night
thing
…
well
if
I’m
gunna,
I’m
gunna
get
done
I’m
going
to
take
him
out
we
a
glass.
Yeah.
Well,
it’s
interesting
that
once…
once
it’s
all
over
with
and
it’s
all
finished…
that
people
don’t
really
go
back
to
that
again
do they?
I
don’t
think.
But
I
think
the state
had
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
I
think
I
think
all this
not
being
allowed
to
congregate,
not
being
allowed
to…
But
what
I
mean,
when
the
parties
are
over
and
everything
else.
You
don’t
go
back
to
fighting
in
the
pubs.
No.
No
because
you
start
you
got
a
different
respect
for
people,
because
you
tek
on
board
the
…
during
that
period
people
got
to
know,
I
can
remember
we
used
to
be
nemesis
of
Mill Hill.
Mill Hill
were
our
nemesis….
…
…
and that’s
just
the
way it
were.
Lads
lads
now
that
I’ve
known more than
30
year,
…
I’m
still
really
good
mates
wi’
that
are
from
that
neck
of
the
woods.
And
that
wouldn’t
have
changed
if
it
hadn’t
have been
through
what
happened.
It
just
would
not
have
happened.
That
animosity
would’ve
still
been
there.
And
even
…
I
suppose
now
you
can
see
each
other
in
town
and go
here he
is…
that
d*** head
from…
but
now
…
…
they
wander
across
…
Hiya..
not
sin ya
in
ages…
…
now
that’s
that
abiding
thing
you take
w’ya.
…
how
it
gelled
everybody
together
and
it
didn’t
matter
where
you
were
from.
It’s
like
you can
get
on
Facebook
now
and
go
…
…
and
before
you
know
it
there’s
loads
of
people
going…
Oh,
yeah…
and
they’re
from
every
part
of
town,
…
it
was
very
singular
you
kept
to your
own.
You
were
from
that
neck
o’woods,
you
might
branch
out
a
little
bit
because
you
might
see
a
girl
from
out of
ya’territory.
You
might
wander
in
and
risk
you’re
kicking
off her
brother
for
doing
her
in’
…
middle
of
the
night
or
whatever.
But
that,
that’s
how
we
were.
But
I
can
remember
sneaking
into
estates
n’that,
and
I’m
thinking
I’m
gunna get
leathered
going
home
here,
you
know,
pulling
your
trolleys
up
like
that,
wandering
downstairs
and
going…
I’m
gunna get
a
pasting.
She were
worth
it.
You
didn’t
mind.
But
then
when
you
look
back
you
think…
what
do
you
mean
you
didn’t
mind?
You
were
getting
a
kickin’
…
because
you
fancied
somebody,
and
it’s
stupid.
Yeah,
but
you
took
it
on
board
and
it
was
part
n’
parcel.
I
were wi’
a girl
from Darwen
for
30-odd
year.
And
I
can
remember
going
to
Darwen
and
getting
chased
home
many
time
many
a many…
Oh,
there’s
that
Blackburn
b******
…
…
…
but soon
as
you hit
boundary
they’d
stop.
He’s
back
in
Blackburn
…
…
that’s
that
needing
a
passport
to
get
into
Darwen.
But
if
you
venture
to
Bogarts
…
…
…
…
other
side
of
Darwen.
You’d
a
f******
long
way
to
run
to get
home.
And
if
they
were
chasing
you,
you
better,
you
better
have
your
best
trainers
on.
When
I were
about
15
my Nan
said to me…
I
want
you
to
come
and
help
me love.
I
want
you
to
help me
carry
some
stuff
She
lived
on
Johnson
Street.
I
said…
I
will
do
I
said
where
we
going?
She
said
going to
my friends
in
Mill Hill.
I said
I’m not
going to
Mill Hill.
Are you
mad?
…
I
grew
up
on
Wimberley
but
our
stomping
ground
used
to be
…
Lammack,
Pleckgate,
…
I
used
to,
used to
see
a girl
in
Mill
Hill.
Used
to
go
up
Mill Hill
youth club.
And
many
time
I’d
come out
and get….
bumfff round
side of
me
head
i’d go …
what wer’ that for?
because
you’re not
from f******
round here
that’s why…
but me
girlfriend
lives
here.
I
don’t
give
a f***
about
your
girlfriend.
F*** off
or you’re
gunna get
weighed in.
That’s
how
it
were.
Such
a
good
description
about
the
mid-eighties
Blackburn.
I
can
map
it in
places
that
I
wouldn’t
go
to.
Me
too.
…
…
…
…
…
…
Monday
Night
Madness
Western
youth club.
Mill Hill
Youth Club.
Pleckgate
Disco,
and
each
one
of
them
had
their
own
firm…
…
…
Yeah.
From
Lammack,
end
of
Openshaw
Drive….
Now that we’re
that were our
hang out
Wow
it’s
a
small
world
isn’t it
It is
yeah,
course
Daryll
in
100
years
what
I’m interested
in
as
you
probably
know…
…
…
for
me,
it’s
30
years
ago
this.
I’m
interested in
working
class
histories.
…
Yeah.
I’m
interested
in
the
Yeah,
I
get
it.
It’s
a
Blackburn
story
that
people
steal
our
histories.
I’m
interested
in
the
mill
poets
that
we
had
you
know,
200
…
years
ago.
It
is
really
strange
you
said that
because
that
is
my
name,
my
name
is
Mill Town
One
Star
Poet.
Right.
Because
I’ve
been
writing
poems
for…
since
about
13
Well
that’s
the
stuff
I’m
interested
in.
…
Someone
broke
in…
When
I
lived
on
Pendle
Drive
…
someone
broke
in
my
flat
and
emptied
it.
…
…
the
stereo,
1000s of
albums,
all
m’clothes.
They
even
nicked
all
me
poems
I’d
written
…
and
I
went…
And
it
were
only
recently
I
were
talking
to
somebody
and
someone
said
why…
what’s
this
Mill
Town
Poet?
…
Mill
Town
One
Star
Poet?
And
I
went,
and
I
said…
It’s
my
description
of
me.
Cos
I
think
I’m
a
one
star
poet.
…
I
don’t
think
I’m
special,
but
I
sorta
…
like
to
look
at
things
from
my
perspective
…
like
most
poets
do,
they
look
at
it
from
their
perspective
and
just,
that’s
it
pen
to paper,
if
people
buy
into
it
they
buy
into
it.
If
they
don’t
they
don’t.
You
can’t,
you
can’t
force
people
to
like
what
they
don’t
like…
end
of.
And
we’re
sat
talking
a few
weeks
ago
and
I
went…
I had
a folder,
just
full
of
stuff,
scribblings
and,
and
I
thought
what’s
he
took
em
for?
…
He
must
have
opened
em
and gone…
i’d have
gone…
…
…
…
…
…
…
…
I’m
not
f******
taking
them…
It
still
does
me
nut
in
now.
I
think
…
what
did he
take ’em
for?
And
I
think…
well
I
hope he’s
sat
there
and
he
might
a
o’made
a quid
out of
em
or
summat,
you
know,
I’m
hoping
to
open
a book
one
day
and
go…
that’s
one
of
mine
is
that.
You
know,
do
you
know,
you
don’t
know,
you
don’t
know.
…
…
Have
you
got
a message
for somebody
in
100
years
time?
A kid
from
Blackburn.
Don’t
buy
any
s***.
they
can’t…
the
system
tells
you,
you
can’t
do
because
you
can
do
whatever
exactly
you
want.
That’s
what
I
would
say
first
and
foremost.
You
just
sometimes
just
got
to
grab
the
bull
by
the
horns.
You
know,
and
if
you
don’t
grab
on
while
it’s
going
past
you’ll
miss
it.
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How
did
you
get
involved?
The
first
thing
I
can
ever
remember
about
it
was
seeing
people
unexpectedly
covered
in
crap
on
King
Street
garage.
And
they were
sort
of
lads
that
we
looked
up
to,
absolutely
covered
in
s***
dancing
about
on
King
Street
garage.
And
going…
summat’s
not
right there.
We’d,
we’d
been
out
drinking
and
the
people
I
don’t
want
to
name
them
but
you
can
imagine
the
sort
of
lads
who
used
to
wander
in
the
town centre
and people
would go…
(whistle)
look who’s here…
look who’s here…
Top
lads.
Yeah.
But
they
were
covered
in
crap.
Yeah,
like
they’ve
been
dancing
in
a
field.
And
Spike,
one
o’lads
who used to
knock about
we us,
went
over
and
said
Look
at
you…
And…
one
person
in
particular
leant
in
and went
It’s
coming.
You’ll
know
when
it
gets
here.
And
that’s
all
he said…
I
jumped
in
the
car
and
cleared
off.
That’s
our
first
intro
to
it.
Bit
mind-blowing
at the
time
because
you
go you just
used
to
seeing
him
in
the
boozer
having
a
beer…
but
they
were
dancing
about
s***faced.
What’s
going
on?
Just
just
summat
totally
out of
the blue
you just
didn’t
expect it.
Were end
of
the
night.
We’re
all
full
of
beer
just
seeing
lads
like that
dancing
about
like that
on’
24-hour
car park
24
hour
garage
like
that
and your
thinking
nah
summat’s
wrong here.
And
it
come.
So
what
happened
when it
came?
When
did
it
get
you?
About
a week
later.
And
then
we were
in it.
What
does
that
mean?
Someone’s…
someone’s
gunna
listen
to this
in a 100
years.
Tell
us
what
happened?
As
far
as
I can
remember
we were
in one of
me mates
flats
and
someone
went
to
drop
some
some
tablets
off
for us.
You’re used
to
doing
abit
of
acid,
a
bit
of
speed,
different…
Someone’s
dropped
these
tablets
off
for us
and said…
You’ll have
a good
night
off these.
I
think
if
I
remember
rightly
we
either
went
to
Manhattan
Heights
or’
Cav
and
had
these.
And
basically
you
stood
there
sweating
profusely
looking
at
everyone
who was
steaming
drunk
going…
what the
f****** hell
are
we
doing
in
here.
We’d
have
danced
in’t
street.
We
would
have
danced
anywhere
bar
in
that
club.
We
just
wanted
some…
even
the
music
sounded
like
crap.
And
that’s
my
first
memory
until
the
first
party
we
ever
went
to
which
was…
if
I
remember
rightly
Johnson
Street
in
the
bicycle
shop.
And
it
turned
into
a
mass
brawl
wi’
loadsa
Asians
because
they were
complaining
that
sound…
It’s
too noisy
and
there were
abit of a
set
to
in’t
street
and
that,
but
that
were
like
the
first
taster
of
it.
That’s
the
bike
shop
I was
talking about,
used to be
called
Good
Fellows
Cycles
yeah.
On
the
corner.
It’s
on
Devonport
Road
it’s
the
next
one
up
isnt
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That’s
the
first
one
I
can
clearly
remember.
And
then
I
can
remember…
One
on
Revidge
Road.
Yeah,
which
is
on
because
that
was
my
old
stomping
ground
when
I
was
a
kid
because I
were from
Wimberley.
So
I
knew
all
that
sort
of
area.
So…
which
was in
a
guy’s
house…
It
was
in a
guy’s
house,
it
got
trashed.
so,
you
know,
something
very
strange,
that,
that
was,
that
was
one
of
the
first
and
also
probably
the
last one…
the last
that
ended
up
in
that
state.
Exactly
when he
was doing his
house up.
Yeah.
So
Darryl
you’re from
Wimberley?
Yeah.
I were born
So
did
you
come
from
that
like
Wimberley
boot
boy
background?
No
that’s me
brothers
generation.
That
were
the
younger
lot.
We
were
the
ones
that…
yeah,
we
were
the
ones
that had
all
the
estate
fenced off
cos we
were
thieving
everything
…
cos
we
were
rogues,
we
were all
rogues,
all’ lot
of
us.
But
good,
nice
rogues,
we only
robbed
off
them
that
deserved
to
be
robbed.
Ha
ha
ha.
Y’know,
odd
scooter
went
missing
here
and
there,
odd
Vauxhall
Viva
…
…
to
run
people
to
school
in
the
morning.
But
that
were
the life
then.
Yeah,
it
was.
People
didn’t
have
money,
it
were
all
hand
me
downs
and…
I
had
an
older
sister,
I
can
remember
going
to
school
wi’
scalloped
blouse
top
on,
and
me
mates
going…
odd
looking
shirt?
It’s a
f******
hand
me
down.
What
…
…
do
you
expect?
…
you
know,
at
least
I didn’t
have to
wear
her
skirts…
I’d
o’been
done
…
…
finished,
social
life
gone.
Right, so
Darryl
you
get,
you’re
involved
at
the
very
early
part
as
it
sounds,
like
you’re
right
at
the
beginning
of
it
to
me.
Yeah,
I
think
a
lot
of
us
were
because…
without
incriminating
me
sel’
we were a
bit integral
in
the
town
centre
as
a
gang
o’lads
that
came
from
all
over
…
from
different…
We
weren’t
from
one
part
of
town…
from
Langho,
Pleasington,
Wilpshire,
Wimberley,
Johnson
Street.
We
were
just
a firm
of
lads
that
…
we
created.
Wer’
sorta
like
…
the
odds
and
sods
from
everywhere.
But
we
had
a good
family.
And
we
looked
after
each
other
and
because of
how do I
put it?
Large
shopping
expeditions in
Switzerland.
We
sort
of
clothed
a
lot
of
people
as
well.
So
having
being
brought
into
it
early
on,
a
lot
of
people
knew
who
we were.
So because
we
don’t
know..
who
did
this,
but
clothes
were coming in
from
Switzerland
and
places
and
into
Blackburn.
There
was a
real
Casual
scene
here.
You
ended
up
with
well-dressed
kids
in
Blackburn.
And
then
it
moves
into
this
party
scene.
Yeah,
well, I
weren’t
one
for
like
the
really
baggy
acid
clothes.
I
still
preferred
me’
designer
gear
to
be
quite
honest.
…
I
might’o
grown
me
hair
but,
that
were
about
it.
But
as
for
clothes
wise,
it
always
had
to
be
labels,
labels
labels
labels.
And,
and
that’s
just
how
we
were
were.
What
are your
best
memories
of
it?
Best
memories?
The
camaraderie.
The
fact
that
people
all
…
it
didn’t
matter
where
you
come
from.
Everybody
had
each
other’s
back.
If
you
went
to
a
party
and
it
went
off
it
was
us
and
them.
And
if
you need
to
turn
a
police
car
over
…
and
torch
it,
so be
it,
let’s
have
it.
And
…
we
were
quite
happy
we
that.
Getting
one
back
for
the
many
times that
you
got
a
smack in the
mouth
and
you
were
dragged
down’
to
cells
for
summat
you
hadn’t
done.
And
to
face
the
police
and
actually
think…
we’re
avin’
this
one,
we’re
winning
this
one.
…
Were
a
good
thing.
And
I
can
remember
1 or 2
at
Whitebirk
being
one
of
them.
Cracking
party,
plenty
of
barbecued
hot
dog
police
vehicles,
but
no
…
But
then
were
the
times,
it
was
us
and
them.
And as
soon
as
it
escalated
to
a
level
where
they
couldn’t
control
it.
It
was,
we
will
…
resort
to
exerting
our
dominance
over
you.
And
if
it
meant
running
and
beating
women
wi’
sticks,
truncheons
…
whatever,
whatever
they
had
to
do
to
win,
they
would
get
their
point
across.
Which
was
sort
of
the
downfall
of
it.
That
and
the
crooks
moving
in
from
Manchester
wanting
their
cut.
But
apart
from
that,
I
only
have
good
memories
of
it.
…
And
in
1990
I
broke
my
neck
in
a
car
crash.
I
can
remember
getting
posted
through
many
a
window
at
a party,
because I
had a
full
body
brace
on.
You’re
kidding.
Nope.
And
having
2
E’s
a night
wi’
a
full
body
brace
on
dancing
like
that
…
it
was a
sight
to
behold.
But
yeah,
posted,
and
I
was
going
shopping
in
Switzerland
in the
same state.
Which
was…
just
the
way
things
were.
It’s
a
means
to
an
end.
There
weren’t
alot
of
work
about.
We were
in
Thatchers
Britain.
Thatcher
didn’t
give
a
s***
about
anybody.
Same as
Johnson
don’t give
a
s***
about
anybody
now.
It’s
all
about
tek, tek
tek.
All
the
little
men
get
trampled
on.
And
I’ve
always
…
…
said
to
me
Dad
I don’t
fit in
this
system.
And
he’d
go
what
you
on
about?
Because
I
feel
a
bit
of
a
spare
wheel.
Because
I
could
see
it
for
what
it
were.
It’s
all
manipulation,
corruption.
It’s
vile.
Because
the
people
at
the
bottom
are
always
the
ones
who
suffer
most.
And
there’s
kids
going,
being
told
you
you’ll
do
…
…
…
37
and
a
half
hour
week
but you
get
20
quid,
or
25
quid.
Ooh,
I
think
it
was
25
quid
and
I
can
remember
my Dad
saying
your
board’s
20
quid.
Really?
You
havin’a
laugh
20
quid?
Board?
Your talking
about
YTS
at
the
time.
…
yeah
…
and
YOP’s
and
all
that
bull
s***
that
they
brought in
I was on the same 27 pound a week and I had to give half to me mumand I got off lightly
you
did
get
off
lightly
I was like
score
and
you
wonder
why
I’m
thieving
s**t
everywhere.
…
…
take
your
board
up.
Fiver.
Rich
lads.
Half a
night out.
No
but
for
a
fiver
you could
have a
good
night out
back then.
But
what
I
love
about it
Darryl, is
that in
places like
Blackburn,
but
particularly
in
Blackburn
because
other
people
they
tell
a
story
that
you
think
it’s
…
Scousers
and
Londoners
and
everyone
else,
but
what
I
love
is
whoever
they were
mmm…
this
firm
of
kids
from
Blackburn.
Are
the best
dressed
kids
in
Europe.
And
I
love
that
you
could
go
to
Mill Hill
and
get…
buy…
you
know,
Italian
designer
clothes.
Could
buy
an
Iceberg
jumper
for
100
quid.
And
we
had
lads
at
football
can remember
lads going
what’s
that
s***?
And
then
3
years
later
they
were
wearing’
it.
Which
is
even
better,
because…
a
good
friend
of
mine
was…
I
can’t
remember
which
team
it
was
against
but
he
was
wearing
a
3000
…
Iceberg
leather,
and
they
were
laughing
at him.
And
he
went…
you
haven’t
even
heard
of
it.
And
one
of
the
other
lads
had
been
wherever
that
day and
he
had
a
bag
wi’
a
GQ
in
it,
and
he
ended
up
throwing
the
GQ
over
the
fence,
and went
take
that
and
learn
about
some
f******
decent
fashion.
And
then
it
kicked
off
on’ cathedral
later
on
and
they
ended
up
stripping
some
kid
of
his
jacket.
We’d
…
end
up
getting
in a
ruck
and basically
dropped
his
bag.
But
this
is
another
thing,
all
that
attitude
changed
as well,
where
as
we
used
to go
football
and it
were
all
about
having
a
kick
off.
All
that
died
away.
But
even
lads
we’d
had
run in’s
wi’
down,
down
them
years…
turned
up
at
parties,
I
remember
he
used
to
have
a
blue
stripey
jumper
…
…
…
…
and
you..
he did
this,
and
…
took
me
trainers
off
and
wiz’d em
over
the
wall.
And
they
were
all
things
that
happened,
and
you
sort
of
like
got
this
feedback
…
…
of
stories
and
you
thought…
how
do
they
remember
that
because
you
sorta
…
forget
it.
It
happens.
It’s
that
Saturday
thing,
it’s
gone.
But
yet
you’re
getting
haunted
by
it
3
or 4
years
later
and
they’re
going
yeah,
but…
Where
were
we?
I
think
it
were
in
Blackpool.
One
of
lads
had
robbed
this
jumper
off
somebody
and
we’re
in
a
club
in
Blackpool.
And
a
lad
come
over
and
tapped
him
on’shoulder
n’went…
Excuse
me,
I
think
that’s
my
jumper
you’ve
got on.
And
he’d
stolen
it
off
him
about
2
seasons
before
at
football.
And
yer
like
going…
Really?
But
expensive
stuff
stands
out
doesn’t
it
…
and
that’s
why
you
wear
it.
But
no
we
have
some…
So
you
think
the…
the
parties
was
something
that
the
poor
the
poorer
generation
had.
I
think
it
was,
I
think
it
was
an
outlet
that
was
needed
long
before
it
happened.
Because
I
don’t
think
we
had
all
that
back
end,
middle
back
end
of
80s
where
it
were all
football
violence
and
animosity.
I
think
if
it
happened,
I
don’t
even
think
you
would have…
I
think
there’d
still’ve
been
some
terrace
culture,
but
I
don’t
think
there’d
have been
a
violent
attached
to
it.
…
I
can
remember
going
Hacienda
…
…
80
80
…
…
87
used
to
take
coaches
to
the
Hacienda
back
then,
and
you
could
walk
in
and
Morrissey
be
sat at
one
end
o’bar
and
Mick
Hucknall
be sat
at the
other
end
of
bar.
And
it
were
just
freezing
…
you’d
walk in
and it
be like….
Only
way t’
get
warm
wer’
to
jig
about
a
bit…
but
there
were
only you
jigging
about.
You’re…
…
a
few
years
later
on
you’re
like
wall-to-wall.
You
can’t
get
in
the
gaff.
They’re
turning
you away.
And…
but
that
also
…
…
had
a
knock
on
….
…
you
got
the
Saturdays
that
were
all
full
of
posers.
So
then
we
started
goin’
Kitchen.
Get
up
on,
get
up
on’
Crescent
and
watch…
Whoa.
It
was
like
a
different
world.
You
walk
in
it’s
blanket
weed.
Yeah
just
blanket
weed.
….
and
they’d
go…
oh
this
clubs
not
big
enough.
And
you’d
pull a
sledgehammer
out
and
knock
another
flat
through.
…
…
big
hole
in’t
wall.
Yeah.
Yeah
for
all
the
kids
on’
estate
and
that.
As
they
started
pulling
it
down,
it
opened
up
into
a
club
2
floors.
You
just
kept
smashing
it.
I
can’t
remember
how
many.
I
think
it
were
about
43957
or
6
rooms
last
time
I
went
but…
yeah.
The
older
lads
I
John
Witty
and
Joker
and…
you
know,
all
the
lads
that I
knew
that
we’re
going
to
them
sorta
gaffs…
were
sort
of
like
an
impetus.
Have
ya not
been
here?
And
then
you
get
there.
and…
first
time
we
ever
went…
we
were
witness
to…
they
launched
someone
off
a
second-floor
balcony
into
the
you
know,
the
big skips
…
Like
that…
headfirst,
he
landed
and
his feet…
when
we
come
out
the
club
at
like
5
o’clock
in
the
morning…
he’s still
there
we
his legs
sticking
out,
we
thought
he were
dead…
just
unconscious
full of
E
like that…
done.
Just
took
that
much
tackle.
This
is
before
the Blackburn
parties
started?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
About
87,
88?
Yeah.
…
cos
there
were
bits
of
it
going
on,
little
pockets
here
and
there.
I
mean
even…
even
here,
what
would
it
have
been
here
when
we
seen
them?
89?
Maybe
…
…
back
end
of
88
…
early
89
when
we saw
the
lads
that
we
sorta’
like
looked
up
to
…
and
…
were
sorta’
the
faces
the
town.
And
like
I
looked
at
them
and
thought.
There’s
summat
pertaining
…
…
…
there’s
something
…
you
could
see
the
change
coming.
Yeah,
you
could
see
it
coming.
When
the
parties
finish
…
what
happened
to
you
after
…
…
like
what
happens
then?
What
can
you
say
on the tape
Darryl?
What can I
say on the
tape?
Spiraling
addiction
was one
of em
to be quite
honest.
And
that
was
more
because
I
broke
my
neck.
I
totally
deteriorated
over
the
next
few
years.
Morphine
first
and
then
other
substances
as
you
can
well
imagine.
But
even
now
I
I
look
at
it,
and
I
think
…
…
would
I
change
how
panned
out?
And
I’m
still
here
but
then
you’d
go
is
it
rose
tinted
spectacles?
Do
you
look
back
and…
but
I still…
still
talk
to
lads
that
I
talked to,
you
know,
that
I
went
to
school
with.
I’m
still
friends
we
now,
that
I
work
we
now
and
again.
Was
it
as
good
as
we
believed
it
were?
And
they
all go
no
it were
f******
better.
And
the
thing
is
you
can’t…
If
everybody
thinks
like
that,
it
isn’t
just
you
who’s
wearing
the
rose
tinted
spectacles
and
everybody
I
know
goes…
f******
we
had
it
good.
We had
it good
There
could
have
been
different
outcomes
for
a
lot
of
people
but
that
…
I
can
remember
the impetus
at
the
back
end
where
drugs
were
coming
in,
and
people
going…
Oh
try
this,
it’s
a
new
drug…
and
they
were
selling
smack,
speed
and
this
and
that.
And
people
were
getting
drawn
into
s***
that
they
hadn’t
got
a
clue
about
because
they’d
gone
Well
I’ve
tried
this,
I’ve
tried that,
I’ve been
alright
on
this,
I’ve
been
alright
on
that,
Oh, I’ll have
abit o’that.
And that’s
what
started
sucking
a
lot
of
people
in…
even
though
there were
a lot of
people
that
were
already
within
that
culture
that
you
knew.
They
were
few
and
far
between,
but
I
think
a
lot
got
roped
in
on
the
back
end
of
it.
And
I
think
that
sorta
were
the
only
light
that
was
bad,
on
the
whole
scene
because
even
even
the
football
hooliganism
n’all
that.
…
If
it
hadn’t
developed
from
that…
it
would’ve
developed
from
some
other
source
to
get
us
to
where
we
needed
to
be.
I
would
have
thought.
Because
it
could
have
only
had
…
that
emphasis
to
go
up
and
be…
get
into
something
better.
People
were
fed
up
with
licensing
law
n’all
that.
…
…
all
going
home
now
…
done,
dusted.
I
mean,
we
used
to go
Cav
car park
just
for
a
kick-off
so
we
could
stop
out
a
bit
longer.
Dragging
em
outta
coaches
…
there
used
to
be
15
16
coaches
from
everywhere.
…
They’d
be
coming
from
Newcastle.
Used
to
go…
Geordies
are
in
town
tonight,
we’ll have
a ruck
we
them
because
we’re
bored
with
them
from
over
Manchester
way.
…
…
And
that
were
just
part
and
parcel
of
being
…
steaming
drunk
every
Friday
Saturday.
And
to
get
away
from
that
and
then
all
of a
sudden
you’re
in…
I
don’t…
you’re
in
a
realm
where
the
last
thing
on
your
mind
is
raising
a
fist,
an
angry
word
or
anything
…
…
to
anybody,
and
to
go
home
after,
lying in
your bed
and
go…
did
…
…
has
that
just
happened
that
night
just happen?
Because
there
was
some
really…
really
good
nights,
even
though
they’ve
like
blurred
all
into
one
over
the
years,
but
I
can
definitely
remember
going
home
and
lying on
me bed,
going…
top
sex…
top
night…
what…
and
you
were
just
mind-blown
sometimes.
And
I
think
no
matter
what
perspective
you
look
at
it.
That
would
have
always
come,
because
it
was
destined…
the
change
was
destined,
it was
just
how
long
it
would
take
for
that
change
to
come.
I
think
people
got
to’ stage
where
they
were
sick
to
death of
being
on
tenterhooks
and
going
out.
Suppose
it’s
like
it
is
now.
the
going
…
…
People
forget
how
violent
it
was.
Yeah,
and
I
can
remember.
85
running
from
Bogart’s
in
Darwen,
down’
main
road.
We
a
gang
o’lads
after
me,
because
you’ve
been
chatting
one of
their
girls up.
You
used to
need a
passport
to get
into
Darwen
at
one
stage.
It were
like…
Another
lad
I
talked
to
said
I was
going
first
time,
I was
really
looking
forward
to
it.
And
I
said
tell
me
what
that
was
like…
And
he
said,
oh
we
bumped
into
some
Mill
Hill
lads
and
kicked
f***
out
of
each
other.
Didn’t
even
go
inside.
Then
it
…
like
a
week
later.
That
was
all
done
and
dusted.
Yeah,
and
it
were,
it
was
that
deadening…
that
deadening
effect
of that
ecstasy
landing
that
everybody
…
all
of
a
sudden
you
walk
into…
And you
actually
wanted
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
somebody
rather
than
thinking…
have I
to
jam
this
beer
glass
in
his
face,
which
were
…
…
the
usual
Saturday
night
thing
…
well
if
I’m
gunna,
I’m
gunna
get
done
I’m
going
to
take
him
out
we
a
glass.
Yeah.
Well,
it’s
interesting
that
once…
once
it’s
all
over
with
and
it’s
all
finished…
that
people
don’t
really
go
back
to
that
again
do they?
I
don’t
think.
But
I
think
the state
had
a
lot
to
do
with
that.
I
think
I
think
all this
not
being
allowed
to
congregate,
not
being
allowed
to…
But
what
I
mean,
when
the
parties
are
over
and
everything
else.
You
don’t
go
back
to
fighting
in
the
pubs.
No.
No
because
you
start
you
got
a
different
respect
for
people,
because
you
tek
on
board
the
…
during
that
period
people
got
to
know,
I
can
remember
we
used
to
be
nemesis
of
Mill Hill.
Mill Hill
were
our
nemesis….
…
…
and that’s
just
the
way it
were.
Lads
lads
now
that
I’ve
known more than
30
year,
…
I’m
still
really
good
mates
wi’
that
are
from
that
neck
of
the
woods.
And
that
wouldn’t
have
changed
if
it
hadn’t
have been
through
what
happened.
It
just
would
not
have
happened.
That
animosity
would’ve
still
been
there.
And
even
…
I
suppose
now
you
can
see
each
other
in
town
and go
here he
is…
that
d*** head
from…
but
now
…
…
they
wander
across
…
Hiya..
not
sin ya
in
ages…
…
now
that’s
that
abiding
thing
you take
w’ya.
…
how
it
gelled
everybody
together
and
it
didn’t
matter
where
you
were
from.
It’s
like
you can
get
on
Facebook
now
and
go
…
…
and
before
you
know
it
there’s
loads
of
people
going…
Oh,
yeah…
and
they’re
from
every
part
of
town,
…
it
was
very
singular
you
kept
to your
own.
You
were
from
that
neck
o’woods,
you
might
branch
out
a
little
bit
because
you
might
see
a
girl
from
out of
ya’territory.
You
might
wander
in
and
risk
you’re
kicking
off her
brother
for
doing
her
in’
…
middle
of
the
night
or
whatever.
But
that,
that’s
how
we
were.
But
I
can
remember
sneaking
into
estates
n’that,
and
I’m
thinking
I’m
gunna get
leathered
going
home
here,
you
know,
pulling
your
trolleys
up
like
that,
wandering
downstairs
and
going…
I’m
gunna get
a
pasting.
She were
worth
it.
You
didn’t
mind.
But
then
when
you
look
back
you
think…
what
do
you
mean
you
didn’t
mind?
You
were
getting
a
kickin’
…
because
you
fancied
somebody,
and
it’s
stupid.
Yeah,
but
you
took
it
on
board
and
it
was
part
n’
parcel.
I
were wi’
a girl
from Darwen
for
30-odd
year.
And
I
can
remember
going
to
Darwen
and
getting
chased
home
many
time
many
a many…
Oh,
there’s
that
Blackburn
b******
…
…
…
but soon
as
you hit
boundary
they’d
stop.
He’s
back
in
Blackburn
…
…
that’s
that
needing
a
passport
to
get
into
Darwen.
But
if
you
venture
to
Bogarts
…
…
…
…
other
side
of
Darwen.
You’d
a
f******
long
way
to
run
to get
home.
And
if
they
were
chasing
you,
you
better,
you
better
have
your
best
trainers
on.
When
I were
about
15
my Nan
said to me…
I
want
you
to
come
and
help
me love.
I
want
you
to
help me
carry
some
stuff
She
lived
on
Johnson
Street.
I
said…
I
will
do
I
said
where
we
going?
She
said
going to
my friends
in
Mill Hill.
I said
I’m not
going to
Mill Hill.
Are you
mad?
…
I
grew
up
on
Wimberley
but
our
stomping
ground
used
to be
…
Lammack,
Pleckgate,
…
I
used
to,
used to
see
a girl
in
Mill
Hill.
Used
to
go
up
Mill Hill
youth club.
And
many
time
I’d
come out
and get….
bumfff round
side of
me
head
i’d go …
what wer’ that for?
because
you’re not
from f******
round here
that’s why…
but me
girlfriend
lives
here.
I
don’t
give
a f***
about
your
girlfriend.
F*** off
or you’re
gunna get
weighed in.
That’s
how
it
were.
Such
a
good
description
about
the
mid-eighties
Blackburn.
I
can
map
it in
places
that
I
wouldn’t
go
to.
Me
too.
…
…
…
…
…
…
Monday
Night
Madness
Western
youth club.
Mill Hill
Youth Club.
Pleckgate
Disco,
and
each
one
of
them
had
their
own
firm…
…
…
Yeah.
From
Lammack,
end
of
Openshaw
Drive….
Now that we’re
that were our
hang out
Wow
it’s
a
small
world
isn’t it
It is
yeah,
course
Daryll
in
100
years
what
I’m interested
in
as
you
probably
know…
…
…
for
me,
it’s
30
years
ago
this.
I’m
interested in
working
class
histories.
…
Yeah.
I’m
interested
in
the
Yeah,
I
get
it.
It’s
a
Blackburn
story
that
people
steal
our
histories.
I’m
interested
in
the
mill
poets
that
we
had
you
know,
200
…
years
ago.
It
is
really
strange
you
said that
because
that
is
my
name,
my
name
is
Mill Town
One
Star
Poet.
Right.
Because
I’ve
been
writing
poems
for…
since
about
13
Well
that’s
the
stuff
I’m
interested
in.
…
Someone
broke
in…
When
I
lived
on
Pendle
Drive
…
someone
broke
in
my
flat
and
emptied
it.
…
…
the
stereo,
1000s of
albums,
all
m’clothes.
They
even
nicked
all
me
poems
I’d
written
…
and
I
went…
And
it
were
only
recently
I
were
talking
to
somebody
and
someone
said
why…
what’s
this
Mill
Town
Poet?
…
Mill
Town
One
Star
Poet?
And
I
went,
and
I
said…
It’s
my
description
of
me.
Cos
I
think
I’m
a
one
star
poet.
…
I
don’t
think
I’m
special,
but
I
sorta
…
like
to
look
at
things
from
my
perspective
…
like
most
poets
do,
they
look
at
it
from
their
perspective
and
just,
that’s
it
pen
to paper,
if
people
buy
into
it
they
buy
into
it.
If
they
don’t
they
don’t.
You
can’t,
you
can’t
force
people
to
like
what
they
don’t
like…
end
of.
And
we’re
sat
talking
a few
weeks
ago
and
I
went…
I had
a folder,
just
full
of
stuff,
scribblings
and,
and
I
thought
what’s
he
took
em
for?
…
He
must
have
opened
em
and gone…
i’d have
gone…
…
…
…
…
…
…
…
I’m
not
f******
taking
them…
It
still
does
me
nut
in
now.
I
think
…
what
did he
take ’em
for?
And
I
think…
well
I
hope he’s
sat
there
and
he
might
a
o’made
a quid
out of
em
or
summat,
you
know,
I’m
hoping
to
open
a book
one
day
and
go…
that’s
one
of
mine
is
that.
You
know,
do
you
know,
you
don’t
know,
you
don’t
know.
…
…
Have
you
got
a message
for somebody
in
100
years
time?
A kid
from
Blackburn.
Don’t
buy
any
s***.
they
can’t…
the
system
tells
you,
you
can’t
do
because
you
can
do
whatever
exactly
you
want.
That’s
what
I
would
say
first
and
foremost.
You
just
sometimes
just
got
to
grab
the
bull
by
the
horns.
You
know,
and
if
you
don’t
grab
on
while
it’s
going
past
you’ll
miss
it.