Click to play
tell
me
about
how
you
got
involved.
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was,
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
it was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point,
but
it
was
at the
back of
King George’s Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us,
came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
it
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought
what’s
going
on
here ?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
go
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
what’s
going
on
here?
I
moved
to
Manchester.
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
one of
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy Mondays
Happy Mondays
…
Wrote For Luck
Wrote For Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
College
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham…
London…
you
know,
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
College
and
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
It
would
have
been
the
end
of
August
88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates,
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen.
And
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand
there
were
there
were
like
alcoves
from
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know,
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
…
Blackburn
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that.
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really….
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
onto
Saturdays…
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett End
Sett End
So
yeah,
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
And
there
was
so
much
racism
in Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
I’d
have
been
Seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know,
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
From
different
areas
of
Blackburn…
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill.
A
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
I’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time
for
us
Lads
from
Darwen…
And…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre
that
all
these
Lads
from
different
areas of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment
when
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown
it
was
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
which
was
great,
you
know,
it
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was
yeah,
it
was
phenomenal.
So,
do
you
have
any
particular
favorite
memories
or
what
were
the
best
moments
about
that
time
for
you?
Well
interestingly,
you
know,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
So
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now….
as
far
as
I’m
aware…
and
you
know,
but
it
was
like
Hume
was
the
like
this
completely,
you
know,
it
was
almost
like
an
area of
Manchester
that
just
been
written
off.
Barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent,
you
know…
you
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
come
around
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really,
you
know,
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Virage
Mendis
and
you
know,
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
it
it was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I
were…
in
there
and
a
lad
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like…
are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
in
there?
And
is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners?
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen…
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen…
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm…
from
a
different
area
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
happened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
the
Hacienda,
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me…
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy!
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…..
this….
this..
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two
it
was
like
two
swans
together
on
a
kind
of
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who
were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts
he’d
come
back
and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know,
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda
there
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool
contingent
from
around
Chorley
to
Charnock
Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
and
Darwen
you
know,
it
was…
it
was
like
a
Melting
Pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music
wearing
these
clothes
doing
this
with
us….
Then
you
get
it.
You
know,
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
remember
went
went
back
to
a
house,
which
was….
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there…
to a
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties,
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn that
doesn’t
get
talked
about
a
lot
was….
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night….
Was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah…
So
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments….
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
party.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat…
or
somebody’s
house…
and…
And
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was….
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it
the
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
of those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes,
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties…
those
early
parties.
You
know…
to
go
from
kind
of,
you
know,
scally…
shoplifting…
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs
to
sort
of…
this
mentality
of
“Parties
for
the
People
by
the
People” …
Parties
without
profit,
you
know,
any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job…
Give
up
College…
Grow
your
hair…
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know…
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again,
you
know,
there
were
there
were
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time,
you
know,
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers….
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity,
you
know,
there
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling,
you
know,
same in
the
Hacienda..
you
know,
There’d
be
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you…
your
head..
you
know ?
I
mean
it
was
like,
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there,
you
know,
but
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
1
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on.
But
those
first
twelve
months,
you
know
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start .
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
the
Kitchen
and
everything
but,
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same
buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great,
you
know,
when…
then,
you
know
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know,
I
remember
but
one
night at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there’s
an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
a
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways
it
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the time,
you
know,
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
1
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more
kind
of
more
fun.
Was
kind
of
like
they
don’t
like
it?
Great!
It
me
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know,
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence,
you
know,
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
the
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea,
you
know…
I
remember
organisers
….
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special school
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds,
you
know…
it
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty…
it
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun,
You
know,
you’d
drive
in
you
could
dive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean ?
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know…
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence
that
had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
hilariously,
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know…
all
the
hooligans
had
….
just
decided
to
go
party
and
instead,
you
know,
And
so
yeah,
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know,
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know,
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know,
the
graphics
and
the
Flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
what I mean ?
And
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
that
opened
and
it
was
a
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were
and
the
Sett
End
was
just…
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that
that
was
the
place,
you
know,
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on,
you
know,
and
one
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
the
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays,
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences,
you
know,
because
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were in there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling…
Smashing
up
the
toilets…
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines…
Helping
themselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there.
You
know ?
and
you
know,
you’re
dealing
with
colourful
characters…
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know,
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and….
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties,
you
know?
to
me…
to
me…
the
the
high-tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream.
Live
the
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned,
you
know,
one
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
the
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days….
a
V.I.P
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah,
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might’ve
thought
they
were….
but
it
was
it
was
a…
it
was
a
“WE”
thing….
It
was
a
it
was
not
an
” I “
thing.
It
was
an
” OUR “
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and….
and
so
Live
the
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties….
was
really….
…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
the
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
and
that
was
when
the
gangsters
started
turning
up
and
that
was
when
the
nastiness
started
happening.
I
remember
one
of
the
parties
…
where
the
police
got
there
before
the
before
the
party
people
got
there.
And
you
know,
it
was
like…
just
went
round
with
…
with
buckets
d’you know
what I
mean?
Just
to
kind
of
cover
the
cost
of
the
party
because
everybody
had
to
rush
the
doors
to
get
in…
There
was
no
taking
money
on
the
door
and
I
said
that
it
was
like
a
nominal
fee.
It
was
it
was
it
was
nothing
and
and
but
then
later
on
when
you
get
in
thousands
and
thousands
of
people
and
….
police
outside,
I
pretty
much
stopped
going.
Early
1990
I
went
to
the
odd
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know,
and
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended.
You
know….
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was….
it
didn’t
happen.
It
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know,
it
was
over
it
was
you
know
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know….
they
know
who
they
are
and
you
know,
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me….
the
guy
who
you
know
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn
went
away
in
late
88
and
he
was
….is
a
notorious
United
fan…
and
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
Lads
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn,
you
know,
there’s
this
idea
that
someone
had….
a line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week….
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester.
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
were
integral
to
it,
you
know….
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda.
So
yeah,
I
mean
just
I
mean
it’s
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I
remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to
to
the
TV
studios
to….
to
be
on
there
and
that
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened,
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened,
…
but
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to
for
me
lose
its
magic.
It
was
really
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
this
The
reason
there’s
that
connection
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
and
because
it
is
really
obviously
there
but
a
lot
of
the
they’re
sort
of
conversation
about
it
is
Manchester
gangsters
coming
in
to
the
end
of
it,
but
actually
just
seems
it
was
a
massive
link
through
in
the
positive
area
of
it
as
well?
And
and
you
talked
about
a
few
of
the
negative
things
within
it
as
well
and
some
of
that
kind
of
trajectory
of
everyone
having
this
like
almost
verbal
agreement
of
how
you
treat
each
of
them
and
that
definitely
just
changed.
Towards
the
end.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
any
more
of
the
negative
things
any
of
the
bad
times
and
that
could
be
in
the
Arc
of
what
happened
after
the
parties
ended
around
Blackburn?
Yeah,
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is,
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so,
you
know,
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
in
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
…
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing,
you
know.
What
happened
between
…
1988
and
1989
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was
it
was
loveable
rogues
during..
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
Rogues
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
at
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
….
the
best
bands
….
the
best
DJs
Mike
Pickering
….
was
a
Visionary,
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know,
there’s
always
been
that
connection
that
what…
you
know,
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know,
massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
“Madchester”
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite….
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
you
know,
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Bloggs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
or
whatever.
You
know ?
the
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
it
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
Ian
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
it
was
you
know,
it
was
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing.
You
know ?
And
so
there
was…
Yeah,
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
between
between
the
two
places
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning,
you
know.
I mean…
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
were
like,
so
there
was
there
was
just
a
….
just
a
mutual
respect.
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
….
or
whatever,
but
you
recognised
them
in
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out.
with
them
Same
in the
Hacienda….
just
because
you
know,
the
Happy
Mondays
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
hands
Because
they
were
not
part
of
our
crowd…
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
dya know
what
I mean ?
There
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
Melting
Pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of….
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negative
stuff
because
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was….
in
the…
you
know
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know,
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life,
you
know ?
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound
really
over-the-top
statement,
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
…
there’s
good,
you
know
the
mean?
and….
and
then
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad,
you
know?
It’s
like
it
was
it
was
just
a….
It
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
Was
just
you
know,
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
that’d
be
it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
ten
a.m.
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up….
and
i’d
be
going…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
You
know…
and
I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
I’d say
as
well…
I
went
to
party…
a
couple
of
parties
in
London
So
I
went
to
the
bigger
went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn,
It
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s,
you
know,
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us….
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
out
of
terraced
houses
do you
know what
I mean ?
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration,
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well,
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me…
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things.
And…
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that
sort
of
subversive
mentality
It’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
..
because
it
was
you
know…
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than me
who were
around
for
Punk
Rock.
They’re
like….
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk…
you
know.
The
last
question…
we’re
looking
at
this
through
the
lens
of
a
social
history.
So
creating
a
future
archive
so
essentially
there’s someone
someone in
the
future
trying
to
research
things
that
happened
in
working-class
communities
or
youth
culture
around
Blackburn…
and
then
finding
this
archive…
What
message
would
you
give
to
them
or
what
would
you
like
them
to
understand
about
what
this
era
really
meant
in
Blackburn?
For
me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that’s
like,
you
know,
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture….
music..
Culture….
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now..
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones…
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet,
you
know,
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it….
That
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there
now.
You
know ?
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
They’re
doing
parties
…
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there,
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
1988
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxis
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of
the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning…
They
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going to.
They’re
not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
Legacy.
You
know
a
hundred
years
time….
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
There’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House…
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
..
a hundred
years
after.
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tell
me
about
how
you
got
involved.
I
first
heard
about
Acid
House
from
a
good
friend
of
mine
in
Darwen.
There was
a
gang
of
us
who’d
been
into
Electro
music
and
Hip-Hop
and
we
kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
late
1985
and
he
…
he
got
into
a
thing
called
Jazz
Fusion
and
they
used
to
go
to
a
lot
of
all
dayers
and
I
remember
him
telling
me
that
he
was
into
House
music
and
saying
there’s
this
new
type
of
house
music
called
Acid
House
And
I
thought
that’s
odd
because
I’d
heard
I knew
what
acid
was
and
I
knew
what
House
music
was,
but
I
thought
what
an
odd
combination
and
…
then
probably
a
few
months
after
that
that
would
have
been
kind
of
early
1988
a
few
months
after
that
would
have
been
August
1988
I
was
in
a
bar
in
Blackburn.
It
was
called
Blakey’s
I
don’t
know
if
it was
called
Blakey’s
at
that
point,
but
it
was
at the
back of
King George’s Hall
and
a
lad
I
knew
called
Bucky…
bless
his
soul.
He’s
no
longer
with
us,
came
rushing
in
there
with
a
massively
oversized
t-shirt
with
a
big
smiley
face
on
the
front
and
it
looked
like
he
was
out
of
breath
and
I
thought
what’s
going
on
here ?
And
then
a
few
days
after
seeing
Bucky
in
there
because
he
was
like…
you
know
…
you’ve
got
to
get
into
Acid
House.
You’ve
got
to
go
into
Acid
House
and
I
was
like…
what’s
this?
what’s
going
on
here?
I
moved
to
Manchester.
I
think
it
would
have
been
within
a
matter
of
days
after
bumping
into
him
in
Blackburn.
I
moved
to
Manchester
August
1988
to
go
over
there
to
study
fashion
design
and
I
got
a
part-time
job
in
a
clothes
shop
in
Bridge
Street
in
Manchester
called
Carl
Twigg
and
two
girls
worked
in
that
shop
with
me
one
was
called
Fiona…
one was
called
Rebecca.
Fiona
did
the
door
of
the
Hacienda
and
Rebecca
was
one of
the
staff
of
the
Hacienda.
Rebecca’s
a
girl
who’s
got
short
dark
hair
and who
Shaun
Ryder
dances
with
in
the
Wrote
For
Luck
video.
Happy Mondays
Happy Mondays
…
Wrote For Luck
Wrote For Luck
video.
And
I
used
to
have
a
laugh
with
them
in
the
shop.
And
you
know…
they
just
thought
I was
some
cheeky
Scally
from
Darwen
and
I
didn’t
last
very
long
in
that
job
because
what
happened
was…
they
invited
me
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
remember
going
to
Hacienda
with…
I
met
a lad
from
Middlesbrough
who
was
at
College
as
well.
And
he
used
to
go
to
the
Hacienda
and
I
met
his
kind
of
crowd
of
mates
and
they
were
from
all
over…
you
know…
they’re
from
Nottingham…
London…
you
know,
they’d
all
gone
to
Manchester
to
go
to
College
and
so
I
started
to
go
to
the
Hacienda…
It
would
have
been
the
end
of
August
88
and
when
I
was
in
the
Hacienda
with
my
new
kind
of
group
of
mates,
I’ve
met
in
Manchester
I
bumped
into
some
of
the
older
crowd
from
Blackburn
who
were
from
predominantly
from
the
Mill Hill
area of
Blackburn
and
I
knew
a
few
of
them
from
err
cos
they used
to come up
Caz’s bar
in
Darwen.
And
and
I
started
to
stand
with
them
in
the
Hacienda.
We
used
to
stand
there
were
there
were
like
alcoves
from
the
balcony
of
the
Hacienda.
The
first
alcove
eventually
became
known
as
Salford
corner.
And
that’s
where
people
like
Shaun
Ryder
and
Andy
Rourke
from
The
Smiths
used
to
sit
along
with
a
lot
of
kind
of
pretty
moody
Manchester
characters…
but
they
were
you
know,
there
were
some
colorful
characters
who
used
to
stand
in
there.
And
then
the
next
section
along
was
where
everybody
from
Blackburn
used
to
stand
…
Blackburn
Blackburn
and
Darwen.
And
erm..
there
was
a
group
of
us
in
there.
And
then
I
think
it
would
have
been
a
week
or
so
after
that.
…
the
first
Acid
House
night
happened
in
Blackburn
at
C’est La Vie’s
on a
Thursday
night.
And
so
I
was
kind
of
I
was
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
for
much
of
the
next
kind
of
twelve
to
eighteen
months
really….
and
so
I
sort
of
saw
both
sides
of
it.
I
was
I
was
a
regular
in
the
Hacienda
on
the
Wednesday
night
and
a
Friday
night.
And
then
I
would
generally
come
up
to
Blackburn
on
a
Saturday.
Once
the
Blackburn
Acid
House
nights
moved
onto
Saturdays…
when
it
started
to
go
to
Crackers
and
then
later
to
the
Sett End
Sett End
So
yeah,
it
was
a
really.
It
was
just
a
phenomenal
time.
It’s
just
right…
it’s
just
the…
being
in
the
right
place
at the
right
time
and
what
I
saw
happen
was
nothing
short
of
transformative
really
because
being
from
Darwen
and
hanging
around
with
a
multi-racial
gang
of kids.
We’d
spent
much
of
the
mid-80s
going
over
to
Bolton…
Farnworth…
Manchester…
Bury…
and
just
avoiding
Blackburn
because
there
was
so
much
violence
in
Blackburn
And
there
was
so
much
racism
in Blackburn
and
every
area
of
Blackburn
had
it’s own
gang
and
one
thing
all
those
gangs
in
Blackburn
had
in
common
was
they
all
hated
kids
from
Darwen
and
I
remember
when
I
went
to
art
college
in
Blackburn
I’d
have
been
Seventeen
years
old
in
1987
I
used
to
go
to
walk to
college
with
a
bat
in
my
bag
because
it
was
dangerous
to…
it
was
like
running
the
gauntlet
walking
through
Blackburn
for
a
Darwen…
for
a
Darwen
kid
at
that
age.
It
was
it
was…
it
was
volatile
and
it
was
rough
and
it
was
ruthless.
And
so
you
had
to
watch
your
back
and
it
was…
the
interesting
thing
was
you
know,
I
knew
a
lot
of
lads
from
Blackburn
From
different
areas
of
Blackburn…
and
lived with
a
few
lads
from
Mill
Hill.
A
few
lads
from
Little
Harwood
erm…
I’d
been
to
Prestatyn
on
holiday…
a
few
years
earlier
I
met
a
lot
of
them and
I
got
on with
one
particular
lad
from
Blackburn who
moved
up
to
Darwen
and
I
became
very
good
friends
with
him.
And
so
it
was…
yeah
it
was…
it
was
really
really
dangerous
for
for
us
going
in
to
Blackburn
at
that
time
for
us
Lads
from
Darwen…
And…
and
then
when
Acid
House
came
along
that
night at
C’est La Vie’s…
it
literally
changed
overnight.
It
just…
it
just
stopped
years
worth
of
gang
violence
between
different
areas.
It
just
stopped
and
I
remember
feeling
slightly
uneasy
at
that
first
night
in
C’est La Vie’s
because
it
just
seemed
bizarre
that
all
these
Lads
from
different
areas of
Blackburn
and
Darwen
were
all
under
the
same
roof.
It’s
like
you
if
you’d
gone
to
anything
like
that
prior to that
you
were
almost
waiting
for
that
moment
when
the
music
would
stop
and
there’d
be
like
a
fight
on
the
dance
floor
and
chairs
would
be
getting
thrown.
Then
bottles
would
be
getting
thrown
it
was
it
just…
it
just
stopped
overnight
which
was
great,
you
know,
it
was
great
and
you
know…
and
we
all
kind
of
knew
each
other
and
it
was
almost
like
it
was
just
like
overnight
there
was
like
this
ceasefire
and
it
was
yeah,
it
was
phenomenal.
So,
do
you
have
any
particular
favorite
memories
or
what
were
the
best
moments
about
that
time
for
you?
Well
interestingly,
you
know,
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
So
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now….
as
far
as
I’m
aware…
and
you
know,
but
it
was
like
Hume
was
the
like
this
completely,
you
know,
it
was
almost
like
an
area of
Manchester
that
just
been
written
off.
Barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent,
you
know…
you
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
come
around
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really,
you
know,
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Virage
Mendis
and
you
know,
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
it
it was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I
were…
in
there
and
a
lad
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like…
are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
in
there?
And
is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners?
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen…
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen…
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm…
from
a
different
area
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
happened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
the
Hacienda,
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me…
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy!
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…..
this….
this..
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two
it
was
like
two
swans
together
on
a
kind
of
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who
were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts
he’d
come
back
and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know,
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda
there
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool
contingent
from
around
Chorley
to
Charnock
Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
and
Darwen
you
know,
it
was…
it
was
like
a
Melting
Pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music
wearing
these
clothes
doing
this
with
us….
Then
you
get
it.
You
know,
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
remember
went
went
back
to
a
house,
which
was….
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there…
to a
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties,
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn that
doesn’t
get
talked
about
a
lot
was….
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night….
Was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah…
So
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments….
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
party.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat…
or
somebody’s
house…
and…
And
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was….
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it
the
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
of those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes,
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties…
those
early
parties.
You
know…
to
go
from
kind
of,
you
know,
scally…
shoplifting…
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs
to
sort
of…
this
mentality
of
“Parties
for
the
People
by
the
People” …
Parties
without
profit,
you
know,
any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job…
Give
up
College…
Grow
your
hair…
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know…
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again,
you
know,
there
were
there
were
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time,
you
know,
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers….
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity,
you
know,
there
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling,
you
know,
same in
the
Hacienda..
you
know,
There’d
be
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you…
your
head..
you
know ?
I
mean
it
was
like,
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there,
you
know,
but
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
1
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on.
But
those
first
twelve
months,
you
know
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start .
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
the
Kitchen
and
everything
but,
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same
buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great,
you
know,
when…
then,
you
know
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know,
I
remember
but
one
night at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there’s
an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
a
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways
it
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the time,
you
know,
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
1
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more
kind
of
more
fun.
Was
kind
of
like
they
don’t
like
it?
Great!
It
me
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know,
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence,
you
know,
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
the
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea,
you
know…
I
remember
organisers
….
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special school
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds,
you
know…
it
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty…
it
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun,
You
know,
you’d
drive
in
you
could
dive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean ?
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know…
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence
that
had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
hilariously,
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know…
all
the
hooligans
had
….
just
decided
to
go
party
and
instead,
you
know,
And
so
yeah,
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know,
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know,
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know,
the
graphics
and
the
Flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
what I mean ?
And
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
that
opened
and
it
was
a
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were
and
the
Sett
End
was
just…
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that
that
was
the
place,
you
know,
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on,
you
know,
and
one
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
the
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays,
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences,
you
know,
because
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were in there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling…
Smashing
up
the
toilets…
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines…
Helping
themselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there.
You
know ?
and
you
know,
you’re
dealing
with
colourful
characters…
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know,
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and….
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties,
you
know?
to
me…
to
me…
the
the
high-tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream.
Live
the
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned,
you
know,
one
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
the
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days….
a
V.I.P
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah,
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might’ve
thought
they
were….
but
it
was
it
was
a…
it
was
a
“WE”
thing….
It
was
a
it
was
not
an
” I “
thing.
It
was
an
” OUR “
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and….
and
so
Live
the
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties….
was
really….
…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
the
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
and
that
was
when
the
gangsters
started
turning
up
and
that
was
when
the
nastiness
started
happening.
I
remember
one
of
the
parties
…
where
the
police
got
there
before
the
before
the
party
people
got
there.
And
you
know,
it
was
like…
just
went
round
with
…
with
buckets
d’you know
what I
mean?
Just
to
kind
of
cover
the
cost
of
the
party
because
everybody
had
to
rush
the
doors
to
get
in…
There
was
no
taking
money
on
the
door
and
I
said
that
it
was
like
a
nominal
fee.
It
was
it
was
it
was
nothing
and
and
but
then
later
on
when
you
get
in
thousands
and
thousands
of
people
and
….
police
outside,
I
pretty
much
stopped
going.
Early
1990
I
went
to
the
odd
one
after
that.
I’m
really
glad
I
wasn’t
there
to
see
its
demise…
you
know,
and
I
saw
people
chasing
their
tails
for
a
good
year
or
so
after
the
Blackburn
parties
ended.
You
know….
People
driving
round
and
round
to
Charnock
Richard
services
hoping
that
there’s
going
to
be
a
party
appearing
from
somewhere
and
it
was….
it
didn’t
happen.
It
wasn’t…
it
wasn’t
it
wasn’t
going
to
happen…
you
know,
it
was
over
it
was
you
know
there
was
a
nucleus
of
people
in
Blackburn
who
were
a
bit
older
than
me
on
the
whole
who
put
that
thing
together…
and
you
know….
they
know
who
they
are
and
you
know,
the
Godfather
of
it
all
for
me….
the
guy
who
you
know
who
started
the
whole
thing
in
Blackburn
went
away
in
late
88
and
he
was
….is
a
notorious
United
fan…
and
he
knew
a
lot
of
the
Lads
all
the
lads
from
United
and
that
in
a
way…
I
think
that
was
a
lot
of
how
the
Blackburn
Manchester
connection
started.
There
was
a
lot
of
respect
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn,
you
know,
there’s
this
idea
that
someone
had….
a line
in
the
newspaper
the
other
week….
where
they
were
talking
about
when
Blackburn
out
partied
Manchester.
Nobody
out
partied
anybody
because
Manchester
were
integral
to
it,
you
know….
just
as
Blackburn
was
integral
to
the
Hacienda.
So
yeah,
I
mean
just
I
mean
it’s
there
was
so
many
amazing
times.
I
went
on
the
Granada
Upfront
thing.
I
don’t
even
remember
how
that
came
about.
I
was
one
of
the
only
people
from
Darwen
that
was
in
the
audience.
I
remember
getting
the
coach
from
the
Sett
End
to
to
the
TV
studios
to….
to
be
on
there
and
that
that
was
another
of
those
kind
of
moments…
but
by
the
time
that
Upfront
thing
happened,
I
can’t
even
remember
exactly
what
date
Upfront
happened,
…
but
I
think
that
was
just
around
that
time
when
it
was
just
starting
to
for
me
lose
its
magic.
It
was
really
interesting
to
hear
you
talk
about
this
The
reason
there’s
that
connection
between
Manchester
and
Blackburn
and
because
it
is
really
obviously
there
but
a
lot
of
the
they’re
sort
of
conversation
about
it
is
Manchester
gangsters
coming
in
to
the
end
of
it,
but
actually
just
seems
it
was
a
massive
link
through
in
the
positive
area
of
it
as
well?
And
and
you
talked
about
a
few
of
the
negative
things
within
it
as
well
and
some
of
that
kind
of
trajectory
of
everyone
having
this
like
almost
verbal
agreement
of
how
you
treat
each
of
them
and
that
definitely
just
changed.
Towards
the
end.
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
any
more
of
the
negative
things
any
of
the
bad
times
and
that
could
be
in
the
Arc
of
what
happened
after
the
parties
ended
around
Blackburn?
Yeah,
you
know
the
thing
about
the
bad
memories
of
it
is,
you
know…
like
I
said.
I
kind
of
jumped
ship
from
it
really
early
1990
and
so,
you
know,
I
didn’t
witness
a
lot
of
that.
I
remember
going
to
the
Hacienda.
I
started
seeing
a
girl
and
she
took
me
to
the
Hacienda.
on
a
Saturday
night
in
1991
and
it
was
unrecognisable
to
what
I’d
seen
in
1989
…
Totally
different
crowd
of
people.
Everyone’s
dressed
up
like
clothes
horses.
It
was
just
it
was
not
the
same
thing,
you
know.
What
happened
between
…
1988
and
1989
it
was
a
scally
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
really
scally.
It
was
you
know…
it
was
for
me.
It
was
a
laugh
it
was
you
know…
it
was
it
was
loveable
rogues
during..
dya’
know
what
I
mean ?
They
were
really
Rogues
but
it
was
it
was
it
was
a
it
was
a
giggle.
It
was
a
laugh…
you
know…
and
you
know
Manchester
at
the…
you
know
on
the
face
if it…
the
best
club
….
the
best
bands
….
the
best
DJs
Mike
Pickering
….
was
a
Visionary,
you
know…
but
they
had
you
know,
there’s
always
been
that
connection
that
what…
you
know,
Blackburn
has
always
had that
really
strong
following for
Factory
records.
For
the
size
of
the
place…
you
know,
massive
following
for
New
Order
and
you
know
New
Order
were
aware of
that
and
you
know
that…
so
that
whole
Manchester
thing
was
you
know…
it
was
because
of
the
way
the
media
picked
up
on
“Madchester”
It’s
like
Blackburn
got
kind
of
overshadowed
in it
somewhere,
but
also
Blackburn
was
quite…
it
was
quite….
well
quite
happy
with
it
being
that
way
because
it
was
an
underground
thing.
It
wasn’t
for
the
kind
of
you
know,
tourists
who
were
going
to
go
to
Afflecks
Palace
and
buy
oversized
Joe
Bloggs
jeans
and
Inspiral
Carpets
tops
or
whatever.
You
know ?
the
Hacienda
in
88
and
89
it
was
Chippie
and
Chevignon
Ian
and
Armani
and
Hugo
Boss
and
Martin’s
Evolution
and
CP
company.
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
it
was
you
know,
it
was
it
was
not
that
kind
of…
you
know
media
created
thing.
You
know ?
And
so
there
was…
Yeah,
there
was
there’s
a
mutual
respect
between
between
the
two
places
Manchester
always
had,
you
know,
there
was
always
faces
from
Manchester
at
the
Blackburn
parties
from
the
very
beginning,
you
know.
I mean…
but
those
faces
at
the
very
beginning
were…
were
like,
so
there
was
there
was
just
a
….
just
a
mutual
respect.
I
started
to
see
the
cracks
around
late…
you
know
around
89
I
just
started
to
see
the
cracks.
It
was
like,
you
know…
I
was
going
out
and
didn’t
recognise
everybody
that
was
you
know…
like
there’d
be
you
know
there’d
be
people
coming
over
from
like
say
from
Leeds
or
Huddersfield
….
or
whatever,
but
you
recognised
them
in
you…
you
didn’t
necessarily
go
and
hang
out.
with
them
Same
in the
Hacienda….
just
because
you
know,
the
Happy
Mondays
and
all
their
crowd
was
stood
right
next
to
us.
We
weren’t
going
shaking
hands
Because
they
were
not
part
of
our
crowd…
but
there
was
like
just
an
acknowledgement
between
people
you
kind
of
just
knew
who
the
faces
were
and
you
knew
who
the
faces
were
in
the
scene.
dya know
what
I mean ?
There
was
a
student
element
in
the
Hacienda
and
at
the
same
time
as
there
was
a
kind
of
a
football
hooligan
element
in
the
Hacienda
but
it
was…
it
was
that
kind
of
Melting
Pot
that
made
it
what
it
was…
and
all
you
ever
kind
of….
you
know…
I
don’t
want
to
dwell
on
the
negative
stuff
because
there’s
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
who
were
involved
in
them
parties
and
there
was….
in
the…
you
know
in
the
same
way
as
a
lot
of
good
people
from
Manchester
went
to
the
Hacienda.
But
all
you’ll
ever
hear
about
is
that
you
know,
when
it
all
kind
of
went
off
the
boil…
where
I’d
prefer
to
sort
of
just
think
about…
I
just
had
one
of
the
best
years
of
my
life
in
1988-89
at
what
was
one
of
the
most
confusing
times
of
my
life,
you
know ?
because
I
kind
of
wouldn’t
fancy
being
a
teenager
again.
I
found
it
really
kind
of
tough
time
really…
being
a
teenager
trying
to
figure…
figure
out
who
you
are
and
figure
out
your
identity.
But
that
year
it
just
kind
of…
you
know…
it
just
gave
me
faith
in
humanity
which
might
sound
really
over-the-top
statement,
but
it
did.
It
gave
me
faith
in
humanity.
It
made
me
realise
that
even
in
supposedly
bad
people
…
there’s
good,
you
know
the
mean?
and….
and
then
and
then
I
guess
in
the
same
way
in
good
people
there’s
bad,
you
know?
It’s
like
it
was
it
was
just
a….
It
was
just
something
that
you
know…
it’s
very
very
difficult
to
verbalise
and
explain
unless
you
were
there.
Was
just
you
know,
I
would
go
out
on
a
Wednesday
that’d
be
it
for
me.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday.
I’d
be
out
until
Sunday
and
when
you
know…
I
remember…
you
know
people
would
be
kind
of
getting
off
at
ten
a.m.
on
a
Sunday
morning
when
the
sun
had
come
up….
and
i’d
be
going…
What
are
you
doing?
Where
are
you
going?
Stay!
Stay!
You
know…
and
I
went
to…
I
went…
the
other
thing
I’d say
as
well…
I
went
to
party…
a
couple
of
parties
in
London
So
I
went
to
the
bigger
went
to
Energy
I
went to
one
of
the
early
Energy
parties…
which
was
in the
film
studios
in
Shepherds
Bush
and
I
went
to
the
big
Sunrise
party
that
was
in
the
airplane
hangar.
That
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
Sun
and
you
know…
it
was
interesting
that
the
cultural
differences
between
Acid
House
in
London
versus
Acid
House
in
Blackburn.
In
Blackburn,
It
was…
it
had
a
much
more
DIY
ethic
about
it.
You
know
and
for
me
the
whole
casual
scally
thing
was
always
subversive…
you
know…
when
we
were
wearing
designer
clothes
in
the
early
and
mid
80s,
you
know,
those
clothes
were
not
aimed
at
kids
like
us….
Giorgio.
Armani
was
not
aiming
to
dress
snotty
kids
off
council
estates
out
of
terraced
houses
do you
know what
I mean ?
It
was…
It
was
kind
of
these
things
that
we
were
wearing
were
objects
of
aspiration,
but
it
was
almost
like
they
weren’t
meant
for
us.
So
it’s
like
well…
they’re
not
for
us.
Well,
we’ll
find
a
way
to
get
them
and
you
know…
and
so
Blackburn
had
a
whole
subculture
which
had
kind
of
come
from
a
generation
before
me…
of
kids
going
abroad.
And
so
that
well…
you
know…
we’ll
find
a
way
to
acquire
these
these
things.
And…
it
was
you
know…
it
wasn’t…
you
know…
it
wasn’t
because
they
were
trying
to
appear
like
they’re
kind
of
at
a
yacht
on
the
French
Riviera.
It
was
kind
of…
it
was
almost
like
saying
we’re
not
supposed
to
wear
this
but
we’re
taking
it
anyway..
you
know…
and…
and
so
that
sort
of
subversive
mentality
It’s
like
there
was
a…
there
was
a
shift
in
that
when
Acid
House
started
..
because
it
was
you
know…
Acid
House
was
as
subversive
as
it
gets…
you
know
speaking
to
some
of
the
lads
who
were
older
than me
who were
around
for
Punk
Rock.
They’re
like….
this
is
the
best
thing
since
Punk.
This
is
better
than
Punk…
you
know.
The
last
question…
we’re
looking
at
this
through
the
lens
of
a
social
history.
So
creating
a
future
archive
so
essentially
there’s someone
someone in
the
future
trying
to
research
things
that
happened
in
working-class
communities
or
youth
culture
around
Blackburn…
and
then
finding
this
archive…
What
message
would
you
give
to
them
or
what
would
you
like
them
to
understand
about
what
this
era
really
meant
in
Blackburn?
For
me
Blackburn
has
got
a
very
rich
history
particularly
when
it
comes
to
its
industrial
history.
But
as
far
as
its
cultural
history
goes
from
a
pop
culture
point
of
view.
There’s
never
been
a
famous
band
really
that
have
come
from
Blackburn.
It’s
not
a
place
that’s
like,
you
know,
I
can’t
think
of
any
famous
artists
that
really
came
from
Blackburn.
So
to
me
when
you’re
looking
at
Pop
Culture….
music..
Culture….
this
thing
that
happened
in
Blackburn
in
1988
was
the
most
significant
thing
that
has
ever
happened
in
Blackburn
when
it
comes…
when
you’re
talking
about
music
culture
and
pop
culture.
It
was
the
most
important
and
most
significant
thing
that
ever
happened
there.
It
was
the
one
thing
about
it
was…
we
were
all
very
present.
We
were
very
present.
I
wasn’t
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
be
doing
next
week
or
next
month
or
next
year.
I
was
we
were
all
living
for
the
moment.
We
were
living
for
the
now.
Smartphones
have
really
taken
that
away
from
people.
Very
few
people
live
in
the
now..
now.
Constantly
distracted
by
smartphones…
Acid
House
happened
prior
to
the
internet,
you
know,
and
but
the
the
spirit
of
it….
That
subversive
spirit’s
always
going
to
be
there…
and
it’s…
and
it’s
still
there
now.
You
know ?
It’s
got
its
legacy.
There’s
kids
now
who
are
doing
They’re
doing
parties
…
now
in
2020
They’re
playing
Drum & Bass
and
you
know…
I
went…
I
went
to
one
a couple
of
years
ago.
I
was
about
twenty five
years
older
than
anybody…
than
the
next
youngest
person
in
there,
but
I
found
out
about
it…
and
I
went
and
saw
what
they
were
doing.
And
to
me
it
was
the
spirit
of
1988
all
over
again.
They
weren’t
charging
anybody
to
get
in.
They
advertised
it
on
the
internet.
Kids
get
taxis
to
go
there.
They
meet
out
in
the
middle
of
the
woods
in
Summer.
They
play
their
music.
They
party
and
the
next
morning…
They
clear
the
mess
up
after
themselves
and
they
disappear
back
to
where
they’re
going to.
They’re
not
doing
anybody
any
harm.
It’s
great.
So
it’s
already
got
Legacy.
You
know
a
hundred
years
time….
I
can’t
talk
about
that.
But
you
know,
no
matter
what
you
do.
There’ll
always
be
a
spirit
of
subversion
in
Lancashire.
It
was
there
hundreds
of
years
before
Acid
House…
and
I’m
sure
it’ll
be
there
..
a hundred
years
after.