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Well
interestingly
you
know…
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
so
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent.
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now
as
far
as
I’m
aware..
you
know…
but
it
was
like…
Hulme
was
…
like
this
completely
you
know…
it
was
almost
like
an
area
Manchester
that’d
just
been
written
off
like…
barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent
you
know…
You
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
came
round
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really
you
know…
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Viraj
Mendis
and
you
know…
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
who was
behind
it.
It was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I were
in
there
and
a
lad
of
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like..
Are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
on
there?
And
Is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen.
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing…
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
Kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm..
from
a
different
area of
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
reopened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
Hacienda.
And
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy.
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…
this…
this
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two…
it
was
like
two…
…
swans
together
on
a
kind
of…
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
…
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts…
he’d
each
come
back and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
…
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know.
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda.
There
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool…
a contingent
from
around
sort
of
Chorley
…
Charnock Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
with
Darwen
you
know.
It
was…
it
was
like
a
melting
pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music.
Wearing
these
clothes/
Doing
this.
With
us.
Then
you
get
it.
You
know
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
Remember
we
all
went
back
to
a
house
which
was…
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow..
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there..
to
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn
that
nobody
talks
about
a
lot
was…
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in…
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night
was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments…
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
parties.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat
or
somebody’s
house
and…
and
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was…
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it.
The
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties
those
early
parties
you
know…
to
go
from
kind
of…
you
know…
scally
shoplifting
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs.
To
sort
of
this
mentality
of
parties
for
the
People
by
the
people.
Parties
without
profit
you
know.
Any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job.
Give
up
college.
Grow
your
hair.
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know.
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again
you
know…
there
were…
there
were….
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time
you
know…
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers…
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity
you
know.
There
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling
you
know…
same in
the
Hacienda
you
know.
There’d
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you
your
heads
you
know.
I
mean
it
was
like
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there
you
know.
But
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
true
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on
but
those
first
twelve
months
you
know…
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start.
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
The
Kitchen
and
everything
but
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great.
you
know
when…
and
then…
you
know,
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know.
I
remember
one
night
at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
Just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there
as an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
an
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways.
It
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the
time
y’know…
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
true
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more…
kind
of
more
fun.
It
was
kind
of
like…
they
don’t
like
it?
Great.
It
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know…
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other.
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence
you
know…
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
there
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea
you
know…
I
remember…
organisers
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special
school
…
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds
you
know…
It
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
Yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty.
It
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun.
You
know
you’d
drive
in
it…
you
could
drive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know….
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
of the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence.
That had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
then
hilariously
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
football
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know..
all
the
hooligans
had
just
decided
…
to
go
party
and
instead
you
know.
And
so
yeah
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know…
the
graphics
and
the
flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
What
I
mean
in
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
…
that
opened
and
it
was
the
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were…
and….
The
Sett
End
was
just..
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that…
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that…
that
was
the
place…
you
know
you
wanted
to go
to
The Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on.
You
know
it
was
…
One
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
The
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences
you
know…
because
they…
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were
in
there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like…
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling.
Smashing
up
the
toilets.
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines.
Helping
theirselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there…
you
know…
and
like
I
say,
you
know…
like
you
know…
you
dealing
with
colorful
characters
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know…
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was…
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and…
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside.
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties
you
know.
To
me
to
me
the…
the
high
tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream
Live.
The
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned
you
know.
One
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
The
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days…
a
VIP
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might
thought
they
were
but
it
was…
it
was
a…
it
was
a
we
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
not
an
i
thing.
It
was
an
our
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and…
and
so
Live
The
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties.
It
was
really…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.
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Well
interestingly
you
know…
I
was
going
to
the
Hacienda
so
I
was
also
going
to
The
Kitchen
in
Manchester
which
was
in
Hulme
and
that…
The
Kitchen
was
about
five
minutes
walk
from
where
I
lived
and
the…
there
was
the
first
Kitchen
which
was
on
the
top
floor
of
Charles
Barry
Crescent.
Charles
Barry
Crescent’s
not
there
now
as
far
as
I’m
aware..
you
know…
but
it
was
like…
Hulme
was
…
like
this
completely
you
know…
it
was
almost
like
an
area
Manchester
that’d
just
been
written
off
like…
barely
anyone
in
Hulme
paid
rent
you
know…
You
know…
I
remember
when
I
eventually
moved
into
Hulme
you
know
people
came
round
and
put
your
electricity
on
for
you
and
like…
it
was
it
was…
was
pretty
lawless
down
there
really
you
know…
and
there’d
be
…
sort
of
graffiti
on
the
flats
about
Viraj
Mendis
and
you
know…
and
the
first
Kitchen
was…
I
think
it
was
a
guy
called
Jamie
who was
behind
it.
It was
on
the
top
floor
of
the
Charles
Barry
Crescent
and
it
was
two
flats
had
been
knocked
together
and
it
was
tiny.
It
was
tiny.
And
I
remember
it
would
have
been
the
beginning of
beginning of
September
1998
I were
in
there
and
a
lad
of
from
Blackburn
…
got
in
a
fight
in
there
with
a
lad
from
Manchester
and
they
were
both
big
lads
and
it
was
scary
and
we
were
looking
at
each
other
like..
Are
they
going
to
close
the
doors
on
there?
And
Is
there
going
to
be
a
witch hunt
for
Blackburners
you
know…
but
there
wasn’t
and
there
was
kind
of…
that
didn’t
happen.
but
there
was…
That
was
nothing…
that
was
nothing.
It
wasn’t
comparable
The
Kitchen
to
what
eventually
happened
in
Blackburn.
The
Kitchen
a guy
ended up
getting
thrown
off
the…
the
top
I
believe
erm..
from
a
different
area of
Manchester
and
then
The
Kitchen
shut
down
and
then
there
was
a
second
kitchen
that
reopened
and
that
was
reopened
by
a
guy
called
Para.
Para
was
one
of
these
characters
that
I
met
in
Hacienda.
And
he
was
a
bit
older
than
me
and
my
mate
from
Middlesbrough
introduced
me
to
him…
and
said
you
got…
you’ve
got
to
meet
this
guy.
You’ll
buzz
off
him.
He’d
been
living
in
India
with
a
cult
that
worships
swans
and
he
had
this…
this…
this
thing
around
his
neck.
It
was
like
a…
it
was
like
two…
it
was
like
two…
…
swans
together
on
a
kind
of…
like
a
piece
of
leather
around
his
neck.
He
was
like
a…
kind
of
bit
older
and
a
bit
of
a
hippy
sorta
…
and
he’d
been
living
with
this
cult
in
India.
And
then
you
know…
who were
into
all
kinds
of
mad
orgies
and
all
sorts…
he’d
each
come
back and
lived
in
London
for
a
bit
and
then
he
moved
up
to
Manchester
…
and
he
was
the
guy
who
started
the
second
Kitchen
which
was
on
a
lower
floor
than
the
first
Kitchen
and…
and
I
became
good
friends
with
Para
at
that
time
and
you
know…
but
there were
all
sorts
of
kind
of
characters
around…
you
know.
I
remember
you
know
the
Hacienda.
There
were
few
faces
from
Leeds
or
Sheffield
a
lot
of…
there
was a
contingent
from
Blackpool…
a contingent
from
around
sort
of
Chorley
…
Charnock Richard
area.
Bunch
of
us
from
Blackburn
with
Darwen
you
know.
It
was…
it
was
like
a
melting
pot
of
people
from
different
areas.
It
was
like…
and
it
was
like
the
great
thing
about
it
when
it
all
first
started
was
there
was
an
unspoken
code
of
conduct
amongst
everybody.
It
was
like
if
you’re
in
here
listening
to
this
music.
Wearing
these
clothes/
Doing
this.
With
us.
Then
you
get
it.
You
know
you
don’t…
you
don’t…
you
know
break
into
people’s
cars
on
the
car
park
outside.
You
don’t…
like
we’re
all
here
together.
It
was
a…
like
a
communal
thing
and
that
unspoken
code
of
conduct
that
existed
amongst
us
all
in
the
early…
you
know
in
1988
was
slowly
eroded
as
it
got
bigger
and
bigger.
And
so…
so
like
what
happened
in
Blackburn
was
after
C’est la Vie
I
Remember
we
all
went
back
to
a
house
which
was…
it’s
called
Dukes
Brow..
it runs
up
the
side
of
Queen
Elizabeth’s
Grammar
at
the
top
of
there..
to
house
there
and…
and
then
you
know…
for
those
first
Blackburn
parties
it
was
like…
you
know
those…
it
was
a
very
small
group
of
people.
One
of
the
seminal
events
that
happened
in
Blackburn
that
nobody
talks
about
a
lot
was…
there
was
a
party
in
a
flat
on
Pendle
Drive
and
the
police
broke
into
that
party.
I
wasn’t
at
that
particular
party.
I
was
in…
I
was
in
Manchester
that
night
was
on
a
Friday
night
and
And
yeah,
so
that
was
one
of
the
seminal
moments…
and
then
the…
the
change
happened
with
the
parties
when
it
went
to
the
Bubble
Factory.
The
Bubble
Factory
was
the
first
Blackburn
warehouse
parties.
That
was
when
it
became
a
warehouse
thing.
Not
just
a
lot
of
people
with
a
sound
system
in
somebody’s
flat
or
somebody’s
house
and…
and
it
started
to
grow
and
like
I
say…
it
was…
I
can’t
begin
to
tell
you
how
many
good
memories
I
have
of
it.
The
first…
the
first
twelve
months.
Nothing
but
good
memories
those
parties
in
Blackburn.
Yes
there
were
out-of-towners
there,
but
they
were
predominantly
local
people
in
those
parties
those
early
parties
you
know…
to
go
from
kind
of…
you
know…
scally
shoplifting
football
hooligans…
You
know
nasty
little
scruffs.
To
sort
of
this
mentality
of
parties
for
the
People
by
the
people.
Parties
without
profit
you
know.
Any
profits
got
to
go
back
to
the
community.
It
was
like
so
idealistic
and
so
exciting
and
we
genuinely…
I
certainly
you
know…
I
naively
thought
we
were
going
to
change
the
world.
Give
up
your
job.
Give
up
college.
Grow
your
hair.
It
was
just…
it
was
just
a…
it
was
just
a
great
time
you
know.
You
know
The
Bubble
Factory
parties
again
you
know…
there
were…
there
were….
there
were
several
of
them
and
you
know…
the
police
would
be
outside
but
it
was…
it
was
like
and
when
Crackers
was
happening
around
that
time
you
know…
C’est La vie
didn’t
last
for
very
long
then
it
went
to
Crackers
and
you
know
Crackers…
I
mean
that
was
just
absolutely
rammed
to
capacity
you
know.
There
was
like
sweat
coming
off
the
ceiling
you
know…
same in
the
Hacienda
you
know.
There’d
sweat
dripping
off
the
underside
of
the
balcony
onto
you
your
heads
you
know.
I
mean
it
was
like
you
know…
open
that
fire
door
which
kind
of
backed
out
onto
the
canal
at
the
back
of
the
Hacienda
and
there’d
just
be
steam
pouring
out
of
there
you
know.
But
it
was
predominantly
locals
and
we’d
all
kind
of
come
up
together
and
it
was
just
such…
such
a
you
know…
it
was
like…
it
was
just
so
refreshing
and
just
honest
and
true
and
pure
and
then
it
started
to
change
as
time
went
on
but
those
first
twelve
months
you
know…
from
August
88
to
August
89
Yeah…
you
know
it
got
off
to
a
kind
of
bumpy
start.
I can
talk
about
someone
having
a
fight
in
The
Kitchen
and
everything
but
you
know
within
a
very
short
space
of
time
everybody
kind
of
got
on
the
same buzz…
the
same
groove.
It
was
just
it
was
great.
you
know
when…
and
then…
you
know,
some
of
those
parties
like
Finnington
Barn
…
some
you
know…
phenomenal
nights
there…
you
know.
I
remember
one
night
at
Finnington
Barn
when
they
tried
to
flood
us
out.
They’ve
got
the
fire
brigade
to
come
down
and
flood us
out
and
then
you’d
see
all
the
stuff
in
the
Telegraph,
which
was
just
you
know…
Just
propaganda
basically…
just
lies
about
it.
And
there
as an
eighteen
year
old
kid
you’d
see
that
stuff
and
that
kind
of
gave
me
an
inherent
distrust
of
the
media
and
the
establishment
for
you
know…
I’m
not
going
to
say
that…
you
know
there
weren’t
you
know…
that
it
wasn’t
flawed
in
some
ways.
It
was
but
the
way
it
was
being
demonised
at the
time
y’know…
we
all
knew
that
wasn’t
true
and
in
some
ways
it
made
it
more…
kind
of
more
fun.
It
was
kind
of
like…
they
don’t
like
it?
Great.
It
almost
made
it
more
appealing
and
you
know
because
there’s
something
very
subversive
about
that
attitude
of
you
know…
look
after
each
other
be
cool
to
each
other.
But
you
know…
stop…
the
fighting
stopped
the
violence
you
know…
let’s
go
out
there.
Let’s
have
a
party.
Let’s
have
a
good
time
and
there
really
was
a
sense
of
trying
to
look
after
each
other
and
you
know…
the
idea
you
know…
I
remember…
organisers
trying
to
give
the
money
to
Blackamore
special
school
…
and
the
you
know…
the
money
being
rejected
and
you
know…
but
seeing
these
guys
who
were
older
than
me
doing
that
stuff.
You
know…
and
some
of
those
guys
came
from
criminal
backgrounds
you
know…
It
was
like
seeing
such
a
massive
sea
change
in
people’s
attitudes.
It
was…
it
was
like
nothing
I’ve
ever
experienced
before
and
nothing
I’ve
seen
since
really
and
it
was
Yeah…
it’s
great.
The
girls
were
pretty.
It
was
just
it
was
just
it
was
just
fun.
It
was
just
fun.
You
know
you’d
drive
in
it…
you
could
drive
in
a
car
with
people
you
barely
knew
d’ya know
what I mean
and
did
have
the
tunes
on
and
it
was…
it
was
you
know….
to
go
from
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
divisive
mentality
of the
1980s
and
you
know
football
violence.
That had
sort
of
perpetuated
those
years
that had
felt
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
away
and
then
hilariously
you
know…
the
government
was
sort
of
saying
they’d
quashed
football
hooliganism
when
actually…
you
know..
all
the
hooligans
had
just
decided
…
to
go
party
and
instead
you
know.
And
so
yeah
it
was…
you
know
just
lots
of
good
memories
of
it
really.
You
know
the
Crackers
was
you
know…
that
was
pretty
short-lived
and
then
it
went
to
the
Sett
End
and
the
Sett
End
was
you
know…
it
was
different
than
the
Hacienda
because
the
Hacienda
had
all
the
kind
of
you
know…
the
connection
to
Factory
Records…
New
Order
and
you
know
these
amazing
interiors
and
amazing
aesthetic
with
the
you
know…
the
graphics
and
the
flyers
and
the
posters.
Where
what
was
happening
in
Blackburn
was
much
more
kind
of
spit
and
sawdust
really.
D’ya know
What
I
mean
in
the
Sett
End
you
know…
the
Red
Parrot
woulda
been
you
know…
I
knew
it
as
a
strip
club
really
and
after
Crackers
stopped
you
know
…
that
opened
and
it
was
the
Blackburn
Self
Help
and
Leisure
Group
and
you
know…
we
used
to
always
stand
over
near…
the
back
entrance
with
the
fire
exit
was
and
the
toilets
were…
and….
The
Sett
End
was
just..
it
was
just
great
because
you
know,
Tony
Wilson
used
to say
that…
culture
needs
hubs.
And
for
the
Blackburn
parties
the
Sett
End
was
the
hub.
That
was
the
hub.
That
was…
that…
that
was
the
place…
you
know
you
wanted
to go
to
The Sett
End
and
then
you
wanted
to
go
to
a
party
later
on.
You
know
it
was
…
One
thing
I’ve
not
heard
anybody
talk
about
was
the
last
night
at
The
Sett
End.
I
never
hear
anyone
talking
about
it
nowadays
but
that
was
that
was
one
of
the
most
bizarre
experiences
you
know…
because
they…
from
what
I
gather
and
and
again
my
memory
is
not
that
clear
as
to
what
exactly
had
gone
on
but
I
think
the
brewery
had
refused
to
renew
the
license
and
basically
all
the
Scallywags
who
were
in
there
just
reverted
to
form
and
it’s
like…
we’ve
lost
our
club.
So
let’s
smash
It
up
and
that’s
what
happened.
And
it
was
one
of
the
bizarrest
of
things
because
everybody’s
smiling
partying
while
they’re
ripping
down
the
suspended
ceiling.
Smashing
up
the
toilets.
Emptying
the
cigarette
machines.
Helping
theirselves
behind
the
bar.
It
was
like
nothing
you’ve
ever
seen.
It was
just
like
the
Wild
West
in
there…
you
know…
and
like
I
say,
you
know…
like
you
know…
you
dealing
with
colorful
characters
and
a
lot
of
them
were,
you
know,
they
weren’t
necessarily
angelic
but
you
know…
I
think
like
I
said
the
intention
with
the
parties
originally
was…
it
was
not…
it
was
not
driven
by
money.
It
was
driven
by
something
really
pure
and
really
communal.
And
it
was
only
later
as
the
money
started
to
appear
and
it
started
to
grow.
You
know…
I
feel
it
was
destroyed
from
the
inside
as
much
as
it
was
from
the
outside
really
and…
and
I
don’t
mean
that
necessarily
about
people
from
Blackburn.
I
mean
when
I
say
the
inside.
I
mean
people
that
started
to
come
to
the
parties
you
know.
To
me
to
me
the…
the
high
tide
mark
of
the
Blackburn
parties
was
September
1989
Live
the
Dream
Live.
The
Dream
was
the
beginning
of
the
end
as
far
as
I’m
concerned
you
know.
One
thing
that
would
that
I
saw at
Live
The
Dream
that
would
never
have
happened
in
a
Blackburn
party
in
the
early
days…
a
VIP
tent!
Nobody
was
any
more
important
than
anybody
else.
Do…
yeah
you might
of got
the
odd
person
who
might
thought
they
were
but
it
was…
it
was
a…
it
was
a
we
thing.
It
was
a…
it
was
not
an
i
thing.
It
was
an
our
thing.
It
was…
it
was
all
of
us
doing
this
together.
We’re
all
doing
this
together
and…
and
so
Live
The
Dream
for
me
while
it’s
remembered
as
being
one
of
the
seminal
Blackburn
parties.
It
was
really…
really
the
beginning
of
when
a
lot
of
the
tourists
started
to turn
up.
A
lot
of
tourists…
what
they
didn’t
bring
that…
that
spirit
with
them
and
that
was
when
the
cracks
started
to
show.