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So
could
you
start
by
just
telling
me
about
how
you
got
involved
with
the
parties
and
how
you’re
going
to
them…
that’s
a
really
good
question
I
suppose
it’s
something
that
kind
of
just
evolved
naturally
you
know
that
the
culture
at
the
time
was
that
there
kind
of
wasn’t
a
lot
of
hope
for
young
people
and
it
was
quite
it
was
really
expensive
to
go
to
university
so
kids
who
were
at
college
were
kind
of
just
doing
that
sort
of
not
work
for
as
long
as
possible
and
the
job
prospects
around
at
the
time
weren’t
great
…
so
unless
you
were
lucky
enough
to
perhaps
have
an
apprenticeship
most
kids
were
on
like
YTSs
…
and
stuff
like
that
so
it
was
all
quite
depressing
really
but
there’s
always
been
a
real
strong
sense
of
community
in
Blackburn
and
Darwen
and
I
remember
at
the
time
there
was
lots
of
sort
of
territorial
little
gangs
of
teenagers
from
different
areas
who
were
or
who’re
often
in
conflict
with
each
other
and
around
that
time
we
stuck
under
a
few
of
us
had
started
visiting
a
club in
Manchester
called
the
Hacienda
and
for
me
I
think
that
was
the
beginning
of
it
that
was
sort
of
where
the
love
for
the
party
scene
started
from
you
know
we
saw
this
mus-
we
had
this
music
that
we’d
never
heard
before
yanno
the
music
in
the
church
was
horrendous
at
that
time!
I
saw a
Top
of
the
Pops
from
that
era
a
few
days
ago
actually,
and
it
just
…
reminded
me
of
how
bad it
was
so
we
were
subjected
…
to
things
like
Bros
and
please
forgive
me
Matt and Luke Goss
if
he’s
still
alive
or
not…
laughs’
but
you
know,
that’s
that’s
sort
of
what
we were
subject
to
so
previous
to
that
we
particularly
in
Darwen
we
all
used
to
listen
to
music
from
our
previous
peers
before
us
there
was
nothing
sort
of
really
to
call
our
own
other
than
perhaps
New
Order
and
the
indie
music
from
Manchester
that
a
lot
of
us
had
been
into
as
younger
teens.
…
In
the
late
Eighties
of
the
you
know
the
music
was
shocking
and
then
we
went
to
this
you
know
we
went
to
this
place.
We
went
to
we
went
to
the
Hacienda
and
the
clubs
we’d
been
used
to
were
full
of
teenagers
and
young
adults
wearing
shoulder
pads
and
all
dressed
in
like
something
off
Dallas
you
know
what i
mean
and
we
went
to
this
club
called
the
Hacienda
…
but
it
was
just
something
absolutely
completely
different
people
was
just
really
really
casual
you
know
there
were
sort
of
no
front
cause
every
other
club
i’d ever
been
in
there
was
this
sort
of
‘i’m
Mr.
Cool”
sort
of
front
going
on
and
there
was
none
of
that
in
the
Hacienda
….people
were
just
dancing
in
all
kinds
of
mad
crazy
ways
and
really
just
sort
of
being
free
and
that
was
really
attractive
that
was
really
attractive
and
that
was
kind
of
the
start
of
it
so
we’d
go
over
in
small
groups
but
that
word
started
to
spread
and
it
became
really
really
attractive
and
it
wasn’t
long
before
all
these
little
gangs
were
all
going
to
the
Hacienda
…
and
all
standing
in
the
same
corner
I
remember
we
had
our
own
kind
of
Blackburn
Corner
in
the
Hacienda
and
this
was
like
a
club
in
Manchester
a
big
city
and
you
know
kids
from
a
little
Mill
Town
down
the
road
sort of
just
took
over
a
whole
section
of
the
club
so
that
was
kind
of
the
start
of
it
for
me.
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So
could
you
start
by
just
telling
me
about
how
you
got
involved
with
the
parties
and
how
you’re
going
to
them…
that’s
a
really
good
question
I
suppose
it’s
something
that
kind
of
just
evolved
naturally
you
know
that
the
culture
at
the
time
was
that
there
kind
of
wasn’t
a
lot
of
hope
for
young
people
and
it
was
quite
it
was
really
expensive
to
go
to
university
so
kids
who
were
at
college
were
kind
of
just
doing
that
sort
of
not
work
for
as
long
as
possible
and
the
job
prospects
around
at
the
time
weren’t
great
…
so
unless
you
were
lucky
enough
to
perhaps
have
an
apprenticeship
most
kids
were
on
like
YTSs
…
and
stuff
like
that
so
it
was
all
quite
depressing
really
but
there’s
always
been
a
real
strong
sense
of
community
in
Blackburn
and
Darwen
and
I
remember
at
the
time
there
was
lots
of
sort
of
territorial
little
gangs
of
teenagers
from
different
areas
who
were
or
who’re
often
in
conflict
with
each
other
and
around
that
time
we
stuck
under
a
few
of
us
had
started
visiting
a
club in
Manchester
called
the
Hacienda
and
for
me
I
think
that
was
the
beginning
of
it
that
was
sort
of
where
the
love
for
the
party
scene
started
from
you
know
we
saw
this
mus-
we
had
this
music
that
we’d
never
heard
before
yanno
the
music
in
the
church
was
horrendous
at
that
time!
I
saw a
Top
of
the
Pops
from
that
era
a
few
days
ago
actually,
and
it
just
…
reminded
me
of
how
bad it
was
so
we
were
subjected
…
to
things
like
Bros
and
please
forgive
me
Matt and Luke Goss
if
he’s
still
alive
or
not…
laughs’
but
you
know,
that’s
that’s
sort
of
what
we were
subject
to
so
previous
to
that
we
particularly
in
Darwen
we
all
used
to
listen
to
music
from
our
previous
peers
before
us
there
was
nothing
sort
of
really
to
call
our
own
other
than
perhaps
New
Order
and
the
indie
music
from
Manchester
that
a
lot
of
us
had
been
into
as
younger
teens.
…
In
the
late
Eighties
of
the
you
know
the
music
was
shocking
and
then
we
went
to
this
you
know
we
went
to
this
place.
We
went
to
we
went
to
the
Hacienda
and
the
clubs
we’d
been
used
to
were
full
of
teenagers
and
young
adults
wearing
shoulder
pads
and
all
dressed
in
like
something
off
Dallas
you
know
what i
mean
and
we
went
to
this
club
called
the
Hacienda
…
but
it
was
just
something
absolutely
completely
different
people
was
just
really
really
casual
you
know
there
were
sort
of
no
front
cause
every
other
club
i’d ever
been
in
there
was
this
sort
of
‘i’m
Mr.
Cool”
sort
of
front
going
on
and
there
was
none
of
that
in
the
Hacienda
….people
were
just
dancing
in
all
kinds
of
mad
crazy
ways
and
really
just
sort
of
being
free
and
that
was
really
attractive
that
was
really
attractive
and
that
was
kind
of
the
start
of
it
so
we’d
go
over
in
small
groups
but
that
word
started
to
spread
and
it
became
really
really
attractive
and
it
wasn’t
long
before
all
these
little
gangs
were
all
going
to
the
Hacienda
…
and
all
standing
in
the
same
corner
I
remember
we
had
our
own
kind
of
Blackburn
Corner
in
the
Hacienda
and
this
was
like
a
club
in
Manchester
a
big
city
and
you
know
kids
from
a
little
Mill
Town
down
the
road
sort of
just
took
over
a
whole
section
of
the
club
so
that
was
kind
of
the
start
of
it
for
me.