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Yeah
I’m
John…
and…
Mark.
Okay.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
but
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
Putting
a night…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
…
opening
the
double
doors,
to
get in.
And it
were just
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
were just…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
Probably
88
the
mixed
up
bit
is
that
…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
The
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
Yeah,
musically,
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Yeah.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
But
I
remember
going
to’
Cav,
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants, shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
…
because
at
some
point
they
would
play
…
what
…
…
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
…
at
the
Cav,
to
being
Acid
House,
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
were
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
…
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
y’know,
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
and
it
wer’
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
were
like
C’est La Vie
…
and
the
Cav
that ‘re
mixed
in
my
memory.
It were
being filtered
in weren’t
it.
Bits
on’
Top
of
the
Pops
were
getting
in.
…
…
But
yeah,
yeah
…
…
What
were
that
one?
Aciiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that one
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops.
…
…
Pump
Up
The
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’charts.
And
Yeah,
so
yeah,
we’re
already
aware.
We
had
some
friends
who
used
to
go’
Hacienda.
We started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
…
that,
that
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we were
ready
for it
though…
game
changer.
Yeah,
it
were,
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that,
and
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
it
was
absolutely
game
changing.
And,
and
after
that,
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
Cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally,
hook,
line
and
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
it
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates,
saying
to
me,
he says,
how
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought…
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean?
How
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is
it.
This is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was
…
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda,
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
Hacienda
…
…
with
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
god.
We
were
looked
after…
Yeah.
I
know,
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
didn’t
we.
Yeah,
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda
…
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to’
Kitchen
on,
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
ya doin,
goin’
Kitchen.
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Yeah.
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place
but
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
…
…
…
still
might
be
like late
88
…
and
we
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn?
…
Yeah?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen?
Why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everybody
was in
on
it.
Bike
shop
which
is,
was
on…
Johnson
Street…
Davenport
Road.
But
yeah,
yeah
Johnson
Street,
Davenport
Road…
for
Goodfellows
Cycles, it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
is
that…
Yeah.
Yeah.
I’m…
Up
until
then
it’d
just
been
people’s
houses…
it
closed
down
hadn’t it…
closed
down
by then…
Up
until
then
you
had
to
like,
if
you…
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabethan
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on,
and you
had to
take your
own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
had
to,
I
remember,
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write
me name
on ’em…
Yeah.
Because
you
knew
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
if
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Oh massively…
unity…
it unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Because
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
made…
we
made…
use
of
the
bike
shop,
and
I
remember
part
of
it…
we
made
some
banners
with
day-glo
…
day-glo
…
paint,
you
know,
we
like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colors
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit ’em.
It started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off.
Snowballed
from
there.
And
then,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff,
and
ideas,
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
…
…
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like
…
to
me,
I
felt
part
of
something,
a social
movement,
yeah,
a
belonging,
coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
Unions,
racism.
Yeah.
We’re
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
like
…
just
saying
all
come,
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
and
then
they
were
loading
us
up
with…
you’ve
got
to
be
a
yuppie,
I was
like
actually
that
don’t
fit.
No.
It
was like
political
for
me.
It
was
like,
poorly
messages
coming
on
television
all
the
time
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
4
in
they
mid
80’s
didn’t
we.
Sounds
like me
grandad.
and
yeah,
…
you
were…
only
had
4
channels.
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
all
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible
that
we
can
do.
Yeah,
I think,
I
think
you’re
right,
think
it was
a
wake
up
to…
we were
just
being
brainwashed
here.
Yeah,
kids
doing
it
for
there
sel
…
Yeah, it
were like
the scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember…
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know…
Part
of
being
a creator
instead
of
it
like
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right.
something…
Yeh
it’s
empowering.
And
we
had
to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records,
you
had
to go
on’ train,
or
get
in’ car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
they
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
…
it
weren’t
that
quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
and
and
that
rarity
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me,
because
you
knew
that
you
were,
you
apart
o’some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available,
you
know,
you
had
to
seek
it
out
and
I think,
party-wise,
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places…
About..
asking
about
what
my
part
in…
well
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal,
…
scouting
venues
out
…
in
Blackburn.
So
during
the
week,
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely…
Blackburn
was
made
for
it…
old
mill
town.
Loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
it’s
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
We
had,
we
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End.
…
Yeh
they
give
it
over
to us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
wi’
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out
…
we’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
…
mobiles,
first
ones
about.
They were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
break…
they
were…
We
thought
they
were
the
dog’s
b*****ks.
We
thought
we were
living
in
the
future
we
then.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue
ring
the
Sett
End
up.
Dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
the
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it,
were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors,
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up.
…
But
before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
And
we did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.
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Yeah
I’m
John…
and…
Mark.
Okay.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
but
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
Putting
a night…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
…
opening
the
double
doors,
to
get in.
And it
were just
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
were just…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
Probably
88
the
mixed
up
bit
is
that
…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
The
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
Yeah,
musically,
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Yeah.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
But
I
remember
going
to’
Cav,
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants, shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
…
because
at
some
point
they
would
play
…
what
…
…
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
…
at
the
Cav,
to
being
Acid
House,
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
were
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
…
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
y’know,
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
and
it
wer’
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
were
like
C’est La Vie
…
and
the
Cav
that ‘re
mixed
in
my
memory.
It were
being filtered
in weren’t
it.
Bits
on’
Top
of
the
Pops
were
getting
in.
…
…
But
yeah,
yeah
…
…
What
were
that
one?
Aciiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that one
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops.
…
…
Pump
Up
The
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’charts.
And
Yeah,
so
yeah,
we’re
already
aware.
We
had
some
friends
who
used
to
go’
Hacienda.
We started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
…
that,
that
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we were
ready
for it
though…
game
changer.
Yeah,
it
were,
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that,
and
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
it
was
absolutely
game
changing.
And,
and
after
that,
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
Cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally,
hook,
line
and
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
it
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates,
saying
to
me,
he says,
how
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought…
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean?
How
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is
it.
This is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was
…
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda,
…
we
used
to
go’
Hacienda
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
Hacienda
…
…
with
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
god.
We
were
looked
after…
Yeah.
I
know,
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
didn’t
we.
Yeah,
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda
…
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to’
Kitchen
on,
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
ya doin,
goin’
Kitchen.
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Yeah.
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place
but
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
…
…
…
still
might
be
like late
88
…
and
we
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn?
…
Yeah?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen?
Why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everybody
was in
on
it.
Bike
shop
which
is,
was
on…
Johnson
Street…
Davenport
Road.
But
yeah,
yeah
Johnson
Street,
Davenport
Road…
for
Goodfellows
Cycles, it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
is
that…
Yeah.
Yeah.
I’m…
Up
until
then
it’d
just
been
people’s
houses…
it
closed
down
hadn’t it…
closed
down
by then…
Up
until
then
you
had
to
like,
if
you…
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabethan
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on,
and you
had to
take your
own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
had
to,
I
remember,
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write
me name
on ’em…
Yeah.
Because
you
knew
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
if
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Oh massively…
unity…
it unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Because
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
made…
we
made…
use
of
the
bike
shop,
and
I
remember
part
of
it…
we
made
some
banners
with
day-glo
…
day-glo
…
paint,
you
know,
we
like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colors
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit ’em.
It started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off.
Snowballed
from
there.
And
then,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff,
and
ideas,
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
…
…
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like
…
to
me,
I
felt
part
of
something,
a social
movement,
yeah,
a
belonging,
coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
Unions,
racism.
Yeah.
We’re
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
like
…
just
saying
all
come,
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
and
then
they
were
loading
us
up
with…
you’ve
got
to
be
a
yuppie,
I was
like
actually
that
don’t
fit.
No.
It
was like
political
for
me.
It
was
like,
poorly
messages
coming
on
television
all
the
time
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
4
in
they
mid
80’s
didn’t
we.
Sounds
like me
grandad.
and
yeah,
…
you
were…
only
had
4
channels.
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
all
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible
that
we
can
do.
Yeah,
I think,
I
think
you’re
right,
think
it was
a
wake
up
to…
we were
just
being
brainwashed
here.
Yeah,
kids
doing
it
for
there
sel
…
Yeah, it
were like
the scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember…
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know…
Part
of
being
a creator
instead
of
it
like
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right.
something…
Yeh
it’s
empowering.
And
we
had
to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records,
you
had
to go
on’ train,
or
get
in’ car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
they
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
…
it
weren’t
that
quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
and
and
that
rarity
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me,
because
you
knew
that
you
were,
you
apart
o’some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available,
you
know,
you
had
to
seek
it
out
and
I think,
party-wise,
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places…
About..
asking
about
what
my
part
in…
well
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal,
…
scouting
venues
out
…
in
Blackburn.
So
during
the
week,
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely…
Blackburn
was
made
for
it…
old
mill
town.
Loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
it’s
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
We
had,
we
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End.
…
Yeh
they
give
it
over
to us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
wi’
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out
…
we’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
…
mobiles,
first
ones
about.
They were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
break…
they
were…
We
thought
they
were
the
dog’s
b*****ks.
We
thought
we were
living
in
the
future
we
then.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue
ring
the
Sett
End
up.
Dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
the
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it,
were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors,
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up.
…
But
before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
And
we did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.