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Yeah
I’m
John
and
Mark.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
bit
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
…
…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
opening
the
double
doors,
and
it
were
just…
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
was…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
It’s
probably
88
The
mixed up
bit
is
that…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
the
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
…
Yeah,
musically
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
I
remember
going
to’
Cav…
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants,
shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
because
…
at
some
point
they
will
play
what
…
…
was
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
at
the
Cav,
…
to
be
…
Acid
House
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
was
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
…
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
…
and
it
we’re
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
wer’
like
C’est La Vie
and
the
Cav
who are
mixed
in
my
memory.
It
were
being
filtered
in
bits on
Top
of the
Pops
were
getting.
Yeah…
Big
Fun
and stuff
like
that…
…
…
Yeah.
What
were
that one?
Aciiiiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops
Pump
up
the
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’
charts.
Great tune.
Yeah.
So
yeah,
so
we’re
already
aware,
we
had
some
friends
who
used to
go
Hacienda.
We
started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
that
that
…
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we’re
ready for
it though.
The
game
changer.
Yeah,
…
it
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that.
And
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
It
was
absolutely
game-changing
and…
and
after
that
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally
hook,
line
&
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
It
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60’s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates
saying
to
me,
he says…
How
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean
how
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is it.
This
is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was…
like
John said…
we
used
to
go
…
we
used
to
go
to’
Hacienda.
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
at
Hacienda
with
the
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
God.
I…
we
were
looked
after.
…
…
Yeah.
I
know
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
din’t we.
Yeah
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda,
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to
Kitchen
…
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
you
doing?
Goin’
Kitchen?
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place.
But
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
a
little
bit…
still
might
be
like
late
88
…
…
We
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn.
Yeh?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everyone
was
in on
it.
Bike shop
which
was
on
…
Johnson
Street.
rod.
Yeah.
Yeah
Johnson
Street,
Devonport
Road.
…
Good
Fellows
Cycles
it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
was
that
there?
…
Yeah.
…
Up
until
then it
just
been
people’s
houses…
closed
down
by
then.
Yeah,
…
…
…
up
until
then
you
had
to
like…
if
you,
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabeth
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on
and
you had
to take
your own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
have
to
remember
…
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write me
name
on em.
Yeah.
Yeah,
because
you
new
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
…
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Massively
unity.
It unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Cos
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
med,
we
med
use
of
the
bike
shop.
And
I
remember
part
of
it.
We
made
some
banners
we
day,
day-glo
…
paint.
…
…
you
know,
we like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colours
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit em.
We started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off,
snowballed
from
there.
Another,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff
and
ideas
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
a…
like
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like…
…
To
me,
I
felt
apart
of
something,
a social
movement.
Yeah,
a
belonging…
Coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
unions
and…
racism.
Yeah,
it were
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
then
like
this
just
saying
all
this…
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
then
they
were
loading
us
…
up
with
this…
you’ve
gotta
be
a
yuppie,
and
I
was
like, actually
that
dun’t fit…
No,
it
were
political
for
me.
There
were like
poorly
messages
coming
on
telly
like
all
the
time,
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
in’
mid
80s
didn’t
we.
So…
You
sound
like
me
Grandad.
Yeah…
and
you
were…
only
had
4
channels…
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
All
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible,
that
we
can
do.
Yeah.
I
think,
I
think
you’re
right.
I
think
it’s
a
wake
up
to,
we were
just
being
brain
washed.
Yeah.
Kids
doing
it
for
th’sel.
Yeah.
It
were like
the
scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember.
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know.
A part
of
being
a creator,
instead
of
…
like,
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right…
something
maybe…
It’s
empowering.
You
had to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records
you
had to
go
on’train,
you
had
to
go
get
in’
car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
They
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
they
weren’t
that quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
And,
and
that
rare
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me
because
you
knew
that
you
were
you’re
apart
of some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available.
You
know,
you
have
to
seek
it
out,
and
I
think
party-wise
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places.
What about,
asking
about
what
my
part were
in
it…
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal
scouting
venues
out
in
Blackburn.
…
…
So
during
the
week
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely,
Blackburn
was
made
for
it.
Old
mill
town,
loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
…
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
…
We
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End,
you
know,
they
give
it
over
to
us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
we
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out.
…
We’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
mobiles,
…
first
ones
about,
they were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
…
they
were,
Motorola
ones…
We
thought they
were’
dogs
b*******.
Thought we
were living
in
the
future
we
them.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue,
ring
the
Sett
End
up,
dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
a
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else
would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it.
Were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up,
but before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
We
did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.
I
can
remember,
you
know,
we
had
to
go
into
this
pop
factory.
I remember
a
pot
factory
bar…
Tizer
factory.
…
Yeah,
I
think
so.
It
was
really
dangerous
to
get
in
I
remember
that,
I
remember,
and
I
remember
…
you
could
almost
feel
like
the
pain
in
them
buildings
what
people
had,
you
know,
Yeah.
Jobs
like
that
similar
…
you
know,
I
caught
the
tail
end
of
that
industrial…
I’m
with
you,
what
had
gone
on
before?
Yeah.
And
then
suddenly
like
you’re
in,
you’re
in
this
…
house
of,
you
know,
like
really
real
strict
and
almost
Dickensian
type building.
Working
conditions.
And
then
next
minute,
you’ve
got
all
these
kids
in
like,
you
know,
like
flowery,
you
know,
hopeful
clothing,
and
you
know,
like
bright
and
having
fun
and,
I
just
remember
looking
around
at
one
point
and
thinking…
this
shouldn’t
be
happening
really
but
it
is,
you
know,
these
places
weren’t
built
for
people
having
fun.
And
the
people
in
them
were
having
fun.
I
don’t
know
it
just brought
some
like…
hope,
because,
because
…
…
everything
had
closed
basically
and
then suddenly
these
places
were
back
open
and
full
of
people
smiling.
Well
Boom
Town
suited
it
didn’t
it.
Boomtown
was
a
good
name.
Yeah,
but
we
know…
It
was
Boomtown.
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
I
could
name
a lot
of
moments,
you
know,
there
were
a lot
o’moments
where
I just
thought
wow.
You
know,
that,
…
You
see
it
were
organic
weren’t
it.
There
was
no
master
plan,
it
just
grew
from…
goin’
Hacienda
…
…
goin’
Kitchen,
starting
to
do
our
own
thing.
50
people,
100
people,
1000
people,
5
10
thousand
people.
…
I
think
that’s
why
it
wasn’t
stopped
as
well
because
there
was
no
master plan.
No
master
plan.
to
stop.
Course.
Yeah.
One
of
my
favorite
memories
is…
I
can
recall
it,
bring
it
to
mind
easy
because
it’s
stuck
with
me
through
all
this
time
and
it
sort
of
epitomises
what
it
was
like
for
me.
That I
was
on
the
door
and
it
were
only
a
fiver
to
get
in.
It were
the
cheapest
f******
place
…
to
get
in
for’
time
of
your
life.
And
so
I
was
on
the
door
and
people
were
mad
to
get
in,
everyone
wanted
to
get
in.
So
this
kid,
this
young,
I can
picture
him
in
me
head,
this
young
kid
like
you’re
talking
about,
you
know
flares
on
and,
you
know,
this
hoodied
flowery
top.
…
Got
to
the
door
and
he
said…
I’ve
no
money.
I’ve
no money.
I’ve
made
me
way
over
from
Huddersfield,
but
I
have
no
money.
And
he
expected
us
to go
f***
off,
you
know
like
normal
when
you
get
f*** off,
but…
let
him
in,
give
him
some
money,
sorted
him
out
wi’ an E.
And said,
f*** it
go
and
have
a
good
time.
and…
…
…
I
thought
it’s
still…
that’s
what
it’s
about…
sticks
with
me
that,
I
thought
that’s
f******
what
it
were
about.
Bunged
him
some
cash,
bunged
him an
E
Bunged
him
in
the
place
and
off
you
go.
Go and
have a
good time.
I
remember
you…
And
that’s
what
it
were
like.
…
…
it
is
a
nice
you
know,
but
just
like
I’ve
seen
human
chains
being
made
…
you
know
to
lift
people
in…
…
…
Yeah.
in
Crackers,
used
to
hang
out
window,
…
you
know,
you’d
be in’
bathroom
…
there
were
all
these
different
towns
coming
over
and
they
couldn’t
get
in
it
were that
packed
and
they
lifted
each
other
through’ toilets.
…
It
used
to
look
like
it
was
on
fire
didn’t
it.
Yeah
because
there
was
that much…
people
hanging
out
the
window…
body
heat
coming
out
of
it
and
steam,
it
used
to
look
like
it
were
on
fire.
And
I
think
at the
Bar
Factory
in particular,
I
think
it were
hard
to
get
in
that,
and
I
think
we
had
to
like…
lift
each
other
up
on
to
another
level
and
you
know,
the
trust
that
went
into
it.
Actually
people
reaching
out
and
lifting
someone
in…
I
remember a
boxing
gym,
sat
in’
office
in
there
and there
was a
tap
on’
window
and
there
was
a
guy
hanging
off,
off
the
roof.
…
hanging
off
the
going…
What
to
get in?
Yeah.
Had to
open’
window.
Do
you
have
any
…
bad
memories
of
it?
Yeah.
Cos
I were
involved
in
the
…
sourcing
the
venues
and
getting
in
venues…
Well,
the
truth
is
it
went
s***
at
the
end,
when
the
gangsters
got
involved,
because
when,
like I
spoke
about
when
we
were
doing
it,
it
felt
organic
and
pure…
bit
a
window…
it
wasn’t
about
the
money.
But
because
it
grew
from
100
to
500
to
1000
…
…
…
A
lot
of
money…
black
market.
…
generating,
and
that
attracted
serious
gangsters.
Bound
to
happen.
Bound
to…
yes,
so
we
had
the
Blackburn
sort
of
gangsters,
but
then
proper
Salford
gangster
turned
up.
…
That
moment
walking
down
into’
first
party
and
it
were
being
a
game
changer.
…
The
opposite
happened
when
Salford
gangsters
got
involved.
It
was
like…
this
isn’t
what it
was about.
I
saw
some
things
and
I
thought…
this
isn’t,
this
isn’t
beautiful
anymore.
And
by
that
you
mean
you
also
realise
that
it’s
kind
of
not
going
to
go
back
to
like
that
is
it?
…
Oh
no
it…
no.
That’s
it.
It’s
kind
of
well.
No,
this…
It
had
peaked.
Yeah,
the
police
were
getting
really
serious
about
stopping
em,
serious
gangsters
were
involved…
again
bound
to happen.
It’s
bound
to
happen.
So
yeah.
Yeah.
And
if
you
look
back
and
if
you
think…
right
this
is
starting
this
is
building
up.
Where’s
it
going
to
go?
If…
Yeah.
If
you
think
about
it?
It’s
so
obvious
thinking
back.
Yeah,
it
were
gunna
peak.
…
…
of
course.
Yeah,
That’s
what
happens
isn’t it.
For
me
it
was
when
serious
money
got
involved.
cos
you’ve
got
10000
people
coming,
…
you’re
controlling
the
drugs
inside
the
place,
serious
serious
money,
all
the
pop,
water
and
beer,
everything
that
goes
we
it.
…
Armed
police,
…
armed
gangsters.
It
was
…
it
wasn’t
Summer of
Love
anymore
it
changed.
So
what
message
would
you
have
for
a
youngster
in
100
years
time
d’ya
think?
I would
say
embrace
the new,
you
know,
if
you
…
you
know,
I
think
creativity
is
where
it’s
at.
I
think
you
know,
doing
it
for
yourself
is
no
better
feeling.
I
don’t
think,
you
know,
you
think
today
where
everything’s
like
dolled
up
to
people,
you
know
through
one
medium
or
another,
you
know,
there’s
always
been
an
element
of
arts
and
crafts,
people
wanting
to
do
things
for
thereself,
you
know,
historically
it’s
always
gone.
…
…
and
it
will
happen
again.
And
I
think
if
people
get
the
opportunity
to
you
know,
don’t
have to
be
musically,
it
can
be
any,
any
format…
embrace
it,
you
know,
and
have fun.
I
would
say
to
kids
have
fun.
Have fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,
ya right…
Have
fun
…
when
you’re
young
have
fun.
…
such
satisfaction
you
get
from
it.
Yeah,
it’s
fun.
You
know,
that
for
a
long
time
…
for
a
good
part
it was
fun,
wasn’t
it?
And
I
would
say
if
you’re
fun
…
…
keep
doing
it,
as
long
as
you’re
not
harming
people,
that’s
the
thing.
And
…
you
know,
make
good friends
for
life
in
the
process.
Yeah,
friends
is
important
isn’t it,
look beyond
the
obvious.
Yeah.
Try
and
get
past
the
fear.
Yeah.
Love
your
mates,
have
fun,
and
f******
d’summat
wi’ it.
Mmm.
Blackburn
were
a
Boomtown
because
…
our
mates
sprayed
it
…
on
a
roundabout
up
at
Whitebirk
…
So
it
was
the
big,
black
and
white
arrows.
Yeah,
what
indicate
to
go
around
the
roundabout.
Yeah,
the’
….
chevrons
aren’t
they?
Yeah,
so
we
jumped
…
…
and
there
were
just
enough
…
to
write
Boomtown,
on
the
bit…
He jumped
out
we a
spray
can
and
wrote
it on
the
f******
black
bits.
`
I’m…
write
it on
the
white bits…
so
if
you
look
at
the
picture
of
Boomtown
…
from
that
roundabout
…
…
if
you
look
closely
you’ll
see
first…
It
still
there?
No…
he’s
wrote
it
on
the
black
bits
first…
With
black paint?
wi’
black
paint,
so you
can’t see it.
So
yeah,
I’m
like…
write
it
on
the
white.
So
if
you
look
at
the
photo
o’that
you
can
actually
see
it.
No
way…
Boomtown.
…
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Yeah
I’m
John
and
Mark.
So
how
did
you
first
get
involved
with
the
Acid
House
scene
in
Blackburn?
First,
first
got
involved
were…
bit
mixed
up
but
I
remember
going
to…
were
it
C’est La Vie?
Ronnie
Brown?
…
…
Elizabethan
Suite.
I
remember
walking
down
some
steps
to
get
in,
opening
the
double
doors,
and
it
were
just…
oh
my
God.
Yeah.
It
was…
another
world.
And
when
was
this?
What,
what
year
would
you
say?
It’s
probably
88
The
mixed up
bit
is
that…
I
don’t
know
if
we
went
the
Cav
first.
We
had
a
lot
of
anticipation
around,
we
knew
something
was
coming.
Yeah,
…
summat
felt
like
it
were
happening
didn’t
it.
…
Yeah,
musically
something
were
happening
wasn’t
it.
Some
of the
Chicago
stuff
were
coming
over.
I
remember
going
to’
Cav…
dressed
to
go
the
Cav,
in
blazer,
pants,
shoes.
Wi’
a
smiley
t-shirt
on
underneath
because
…
at
some
point
they
will
play
what
…
…
was
what
they
called
Acid
House
music.
So
it
went
from
being
at
the
Cav,
…
to
be
…
Acid
House
and
then
back
to
being
Cav
music.
…
It
was
like
they
were
dipping
their
toe
into
it
and
it
was
at
the
time
when
you
know,
The
Sun
was
running
all
it’s
headlines
of
…
fear
and
propaganda
about
all
these
kids
getting
into
this
new
music
…
and
it
we’re
going
to
be
the
end
of
society.
So
it
wer’
like
C’est La Vie
and
the
Cav
who are
mixed
in
my
memory.
It
were
being
filtered
in
bits on
Top
of the
Pops
were
getting.
Yeah…
Big
Fun
and stuff
like
that…
…
…
Yeah.
What
were
that one?
Aciiiiid.
…
…
…
…
Yeah,
I
remember
that
being
on
Top
of
the
Pops
Pump
up
the
Volume,
MARRS
got
in’
charts.
Great tune.
Yeah.
So
yeah,
so
we’re
already
aware,
we
had
some
friends
who
used to
go
Hacienda.
We
started
going
there
as
well.
But
in
Blackburn
that
that
…
were
the
start
where…
that
memory
just
walking
into
that
room
and
it
were
like…
we’re
ready for
it though.
The
game
changer.
Yeah,
…
it
were
like
an
epoch.
There
was
before
that.
And
then
there
was
after
that.
Yeah,
It
was
absolutely
game-changing
and…
and
after
that
what
was
your
involvement
in
the
parties?
Well,
my
involvement
was…
cos I
threw
myself
into
it.
Absolutely,
totally
hook,
line
&
sinker.
Yeah,
you
did.
For
me
…
…
…
It
felt
like,
you
know,
it
was
our
60’s.
It
was
our
Summer
of
Love.
And
I
remember
Chilli,
one
of
me
mates
saying
to
me,
he says…
How
long
do
you
think
we’ll
get
out
of
this?
And
I
thought
what
a
stupid
question.
What
do
you
mean
how
long
will
we
get
outta
this?
This
is it.
This
is
it.
So
my
part
in
it
was…
like
John said…
we
used
to
go
…
we
used
to
go
to’
Hacienda.
…
…
…
and
how
good
was
it
at
Hacienda
with
the
Blackburn
lot?
Oh
my
God.
I…
we
were
looked
after.
…
…
Yeah.
I
know
because
we
brought,
we
brought
summat
to
it
as well
din’t we.
Yeah
a
lot
of
energy.
So
we
used
to
go
Hacienda,
…
…
…
have
a
great
night
and
then
go
to
Kitchen
…
in
Hulme.
Yeah.
And
I
look
back
on
that
and
I
think
what
the
f***
were
you
doing?
Goin’
Kitchen?
2
council
houses
knocked
together.
…
Loads
of
black
gangsters
and
prostitutes
and
a
couple
of
decks
in
the
place.
But
loved
it,
absolutely
loved
it.
So
we
did
that
and
then
somewhere
along
the
line.
This
is
still
a
little
bit…
still
might
be
like
late
88
…
…
We
thought…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
in
Blackburn.
Yeh?
Instead
of
goin’
Kitchen…
why
don’t
we
do
summat
ourselves?
…
So
it’s
like
the
Sex
Pistols
at
Free
Trade
Hall.
Everybody
was
at
the
bike
shop.
Everyone
was
in on
it.
Bike shop
which
was
on
…
Johnson
Street.
rod.
Yeah.
Yeah
Johnson
Street,
Devonport
Road.
…
Good
Fellows
Cycles
it
was
called.
I’ve
never…
was
that
there?
…
Yeah.
…
Up
until
then it
just
been
people’s
houses…
closed
down
by
then.
Yeah,
…
…
…
up
until
then
you
had
to
like…
if
you,
if
you
brought
your
records
there
was
like,
oh
we’re
going
to
stay
out
after
Elizabeth
Suite,
or
after
Crackers.
It
was
like
someone
had
put
a
party
on
and
you had
to take
your own
records
and
your
own
decks.
…
…
…
You
have
to
remember
…
I’ve
still
got
some
of
the
records
and
I
had to
write me
name
on em.
Yeah.
Yeah,
because
you
new
you were
pooling
em
together.
But
…
that’s
what
it
meant
to
me,
it
was
the
unity
that
we
got
from…
Massively
unity.
It unified
the
whole
of
our
generation.
Yeah.
Cos
up
until
then
we’d
fallen
out
a
lot.
So
we
med,
we
med
use
of
the
bike
shop.
And
I
remember
part
of
it.
We
made
some
banners
we
day,
day-glo
…
paint.
…
…
you
know,
we like
acid
slogans
on
it,
mad
colours
that
lit up
when’
strobe
lights
hit em.
We started
to
get
organised.
Yeah.
So
there
were
about
50
of
us
at
most
in
that
bike
shop.
And
then
it
just
took
off,
snowballed
from
there.
Another,
you
know,
the
people
started
chipping
in
stuff
and
ideas
and
different
ways
that
we
could
go
further
and
further
and
further
and
it
was
like
a…
like
a
movement
started.
That’s
what
it
felt
like
to
me.
I
felt
like…
…
To
me,
I
felt
apart
of
something,
a social
movement.
Yeah,
a
belonging…
Coming
off
all
that
angst
of
you
know,
the
miners
strike
and
football
violence
and
all
the
stuff
in’ 80s
that
weren’t
great,
you
know,
the
smashing
of
the
unions
and…
racism.
Yeah,
it were
just
full
of
angst,
you
know,
then
like
this
just
saying
all
this…
you
know,
it
was
just
like,
then
they
were
loading
us
…
up
with
this…
you’ve
gotta
be
a
yuppie,
and
I
was
like, actually
that
dun’t fit…
No,
it
were
political
for
me.
There
were like
poorly
messages
coming
on
telly
like
all
the
time,
and
that,
really
we only
had
4
channels,
and
we
got
channel
in’
mid
80s
didn’t
we.
So…
You
sound
like
me
Grandad.
Yeah…
and
you
were…
only
had
4
channels…
you
know,
then
suddenly
hang
on
a
minute…
All
that’s
nonsense.
This
is
something
real,
tangible,
that
we
can
do.
Yeah.
I
think,
I
think
you’re
right.
I
think
it’s
a
wake
up
to,
we were
just
being
brain
washed.
Yeah.
Kids
doing
it
for
th’sel.
Yeah.
It
were like
the
scales
had
fell
away.
And,
and
that’s
what
I
remember.
I
remember
that
feeling
of
being
part
of
something,
you
know.
A part
of
being
a creator,
instead
of
…
like,
just
a
consumer.
That’s
right…
something
maybe…
It’s
empowering.
You
had to
travel,
you
know,
if
you
wanted
records
you
had to
go
on’train,
you
had
to
go
get
in’
car
and
go to
Eastern
Bloc,
you
know,
if
you
wanted…
They
started
getting
em
in
Blackburn,
but
they
weren’t
that
quick,
you
know,
they
weren’t
that quick
to
pick
the
music
up.
…
And,
and
that
rare
thing
was
always
a
drawer
for
me
because
you
knew
that
you
were
you’re
apart
of some
underground
thing
that
wasn’t
easily
available.
You
know,
you
have
to
seek
it
out,
and
I
think
party-wise
you
had
to
kind
of
seek
venues
out
and
seek
places.
What about,
asking
about
what
my
part were
in
it…
my
part
evolved
from
the
bike
shop
to
me
and
a
pal
scouting
venues
out
in
Blackburn.
…
…
So
during
the
week
we’d
scout
venues
out.
Absolutely,
Blackburn
was
made
for
it.
Old
mill
town,
loads
of
old
disused
mills.
So
we
weren’t
short
…
on
venues.
…
So
we’d
scout
em
out.
Break
into
em.
Make
sure
they
were
suitable.
And
then
Sett
End
evolved.
So
we
had
our
own
club
at
that
point
didn’t
we.
…
We
had
the
Sett
End.
We
took
over
the
Sett
End,
you
know,
they
give
it
over
to
us.
So
from
the
Sett
End
on
a
Friday
or
a
Saturday.
I’d
leave
early
we
me
pal.
We’d
go
back
to
this
venue
we’d
scouted
out.
…
We’d
break
into
it.
We
had
those
big
old
fashioned
mobiles,
…
first
ones
about,
they were
like
army
field
telephones.
So
we’d
…
they
were,
Motorola
ones…
We
thought they
were’
dogs
b*******.
Thought we
were living
in
the
future
we
them.
So…
…
…
…
…
…
So
we’d
break
into
the
venue,
ring
the
Sett
End
up,
dummy
convoy
would
be
sent
off.
Hopefully
with
a
police
following
the
dummy
convoy.
Everybody
else
would
follow
somebody
to
the
venue.
We’d
watch
out
for
the…
and
we
had
to
time
it.
Were
about
timing.
We
had
to
open
the
doors
just
as
the
convoy
were
turning
up,
but before
the
plod
could
stop
the
convoy.
We
did
it.
That’s
what
we
did.
I
can
remember,
you
know,
we
had
to
go
into
this
pop
factory.
I remember
a
pot
factory
bar…
Tizer
factory.
…
Yeah,
I
think
so.
It
was
really
dangerous
to
get
in
I
remember
that,
I
remember,
and
I
remember
…
you
could
almost
feel
like
the
pain
in
them
buildings
what
people
had,
you
know,
Yeah.
Jobs
like
that
similar
…
you
know,
I
caught
the
tail
end
of
that
industrial…
I’m
with
you,
what
had
gone
on
before?
Yeah.
And
then
suddenly
like
you’re
in,
you’re
in
this
…
house
of,
you
know,
like
really
real
strict
and
almost
Dickensian
type building.
Working
conditions.
And
then
next
minute,
you’ve
got
all
these
kids
in
like,
you
know,
like
flowery,
you
know,
hopeful
clothing,
and
you
know,
like
bright
and
having
fun
and,
I
just
remember
looking
around
at
one
point
and
thinking…
this
shouldn’t
be
happening
really
but
it
is,
you
know,
these
places
weren’t
built
for
people
having
fun.
And
the
people
in
them
were
having
fun.
I
don’t
know
it
just brought
some
like…
hope,
because,
because
…
…
everything
had
closed
basically
and
then suddenly
these
places
were
back
open
and
full
of
people
smiling.
Well
Boom
Town
suited
it
didn’t
it.
Boomtown
was
a
good
name.
Yeah,
but
we
know…
It
was
Boomtown.
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
I
could
name
a lot
of
moments,
you
know,
there
were
a lot
o’moments
where
I just
thought
wow.
You
know,
that,
…
You
see
it
were
organic
weren’t
it.
There
was
no
master
plan,
it
just
grew
from…
goin’
Hacienda
…
…
goin’
Kitchen,
starting
to
do
our
own
thing.
50
people,
100
people,
1000
people,
5
10
thousand
people.
…
I
think
that’s
why
it
wasn’t
stopped
as
well
because
there
was
no
master plan.
No
master
plan.
to
stop.
Course.
Yeah.
One
of
my
favorite
memories
is…
I
can
recall
it,
bring
it
to
mind
easy
because
it’s
stuck
with
me
through
all
this
time
and
it
sort
of
epitomises
what
it
was
like
for
me.
That I
was
on
the
door
and
it
were
only
a
fiver
to
get
in.
It were
the
cheapest
f******
place
…
to
get
in
for’
time
of
your
life.
And
so
I
was
on
the
door
and
people
were
mad
to
get
in,
everyone
wanted
to
get
in.
So
this
kid,
this
young,
I can
picture
him
in
me
head,
this
young
kid
like
you’re
talking
about,
you
know
flares
on
and,
you
know,
this
hoodied
flowery
top.
…
Got
to
the
door
and
he
said…
I’ve
no
money.
I’ve
no money.
I’ve
made
me
way
over
from
Huddersfield,
but
I
have
no
money.
And
he
expected
us
to go
f***
off,
you
know
like
normal
when
you
get
f*** off,
but…
let
him
in,
give
him
some
money,
sorted
him
out
wi’ an E.
And said,
f*** it
go
and
have
a
good
time.
and…
…
…
I
thought
it’s
still…
that’s
what
it’s
about…
sticks
with
me
that,
I
thought
that’s
f******
what
it
were
about.
Bunged
him
some
cash,
bunged
him an
E
Bunged
him
in
the
place
and
off
you
go.
Go and
have a
good time.
I
remember
you…
And
that’s
what
it
were
like.
…
…
it
is
a
nice
you
know,
but
just
like
I’ve
seen
human
chains
being
made
…
you
know
to
lift
people
in…
…
…
Yeah.
in
Crackers,
used
to
hang
out
window,
…
you
know,
you’d
be in’
bathroom
…
there
were
all
these
different
towns
coming
over
and
they
couldn’t
get
in
it
were that
packed
and
they
lifted
each
other
through’ toilets.
…
It
used
to
look
like
it
was
on
fire
didn’t
it.
Yeah
because
there
was
that much…
people
hanging
out
the
window…
body
heat
coming
out
of
it
and
steam,
it
used
to
look
like
it
were
on
fire.
And
I
think
at the
Bar
Factory
in particular,
I
think
it were
hard
to
get
in
that,
and
I
think
we
had
to
like…
lift
each
other
up
on
to
another
level
and
you
know,
the
trust
that
went
into
it.
Actually
people
reaching
out
and
lifting
someone
in…
I
remember a
boxing
gym,
sat
in’
office
in
there
and there
was a
tap
on’
window
and
there
was
a
guy
hanging
off,
off
the
roof.
…
hanging
off
the
going…
What
to
get in?
Yeah.
Had to
open’
window.
Do
you
have
any
…
bad
memories
of
it?
Yeah.
Cos
I were
involved
in
the
…
sourcing
the
venues
and
getting
in
venues…
Well,
the
truth
is
it
went
s***
at
the
end,
when
the
gangsters
got
involved,
because
when,
like I
spoke
about
when
we
were
doing
it,
it
felt
organic
and
pure…
bit
a
window…
it
wasn’t
about
the
money.
But
because
it
grew
from
100
to
500
to
1000
…
…
…
A
lot
of
money…
black
market.
…
generating,
and
that
attracted
serious
gangsters.
Bound
to
happen.
Bound
to…
yes,
so
we
had
the
Blackburn
sort
of
gangsters,
but
then
proper
Salford
gangster
turned
up.
…
That
moment
walking
down
into’
first
party
and
it
were
being
a
game
changer.
…
The
opposite
happened
when
Salford
gangsters
got
involved.
It
was
like…
this
isn’t
what it
was about.
I
saw
some
things
and
I
thought…
this
isn’t,
this
isn’t
beautiful
anymore.
And
by
that
you
mean
you
also
realise
that
it’s
kind
of
not
going
to
go
back
to
like
that
is
it?
…
Oh
no
it…
no.
That’s
it.
It’s
kind
of
well.
No,
this…
It
had
peaked.
Yeah,
the
police
were
getting
really
serious
about
stopping
em,
serious
gangsters
were
involved…
again
bound
to happen.
It’s
bound
to
happen.
So
yeah.
Yeah.
And
if
you
look
back
and
if
you
think…
right
this
is
starting
this
is
building
up.
Where’s
it
going
to
go?
If…
Yeah.
If
you
think
about
it?
It’s
so
obvious
thinking
back.
Yeah,
it
were
gunna
peak.
…
…
of
course.
Yeah,
That’s
what
happens
isn’t it.
For
me
it
was
when
serious
money
got
involved.
cos
you’ve
got
10000
people
coming,
…
you’re
controlling
the
drugs
inside
the
place,
serious
serious
money,
all
the
pop,
water
and
beer,
everything
that
goes
we
it.
…
Armed
police,
…
armed
gangsters.
It
was
…
it
wasn’t
Summer of
Love
anymore
it
changed.
So
what
message
would
you
have
for
a
youngster
in
100
years
time
d’ya
think?
I would
say
embrace
the new,
you
know,
if
you
…
you
know,
I
think
creativity
is
where
it’s
at.
I
think
you
know,
doing
it
for
yourself
is
no
better
feeling.
I
don’t
think,
you
know,
you
think
today
where
everything’s
like
dolled
up
to
people,
you
know
through
one
medium
or
another,
you
know,
there’s
always
been
an
element
of
arts
and
crafts,
people
wanting
to
do
things
for
thereself,
you
know,
historically
it’s
always
gone.
…
…
and
it
will
happen
again.
And
I
think
if
people
get
the
opportunity
to
you
know,
don’t
have to
be
musically,
it
can
be
any,
any
format…
embrace
it,
you
know,
and
have fun.
I
would
say
to
kids
have
fun.
Have fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,
ya right…
Have
fun
…
when
you’re
young
have
fun.
…
such
satisfaction
you
get
from
it.
Yeah,
it’s
fun.
You
know,
that
for
a
long
time
…
for
a
good
part
it was
fun,
wasn’t
it?
And
I
would
say
if
you’re
fun
…
…
keep
doing
it,
as
long
as
you’re
not
harming
people,
that’s
the
thing.
And
…
you
know,
make
good friends
for
life
in
the
process.
Yeah,
friends
is
important
isn’t it,
look beyond
the
obvious.
Yeah.
Try
and
get
past
the
fear.
Yeah.
Love
your
mates,
have
fun,
and
f******
d’summat
wi’ it.
Mmm.
Blackburn
were
a
Boomtown
because
…
our
mates
sprayed
it
…
on
a
roundabout
up
at
Whitebirk
…
So
it
was
the
big,
black
and
white
arrows.
Yeah,
what
indicate
to
go
around
the
roundabout.
Yeah,
the’
….
chevrons
aren’t
they?
Yeah,
so
we
jumped
…
…
and
there
were
just
enough
…
to
write
Boomtown,
on
the
bit…
He jumped
out
we a
spray
can
and
wrote
it on
the
f******
black
bits.
`
I’m…
write
it on
the
white bits…
so
if
you
look
at
the
picture
of
Boomtown
…
from
that
roundabout
…
…
if
you
look
closely
you’ll
see
first…
It
still
there?
No…
he’s
wrote
it
on
the
black
bits
first…
With
black paint?
wi’
black
paint,
so you
can’t see it.
So
yeah,
I’m
like…
write
it
on
the
white.
So
if
you
look
at
the
photo
o’that
you
can
actually
see
it.
No
way…
Boomtown.
…